Origin of non-christian religions

[wx47]

Hi everyone,

I would like to ask question about origin of non-christian religions (this is my first post , I'm christian )
OK - so I've been thinking and idea came:
As a christian, I believe in God, his creation of universe . There are, however, other religions such as buddhism, taoism, muslim, etc.
They don't believe in God *AND* because God is one who created universe (and they don't believe in him), their gods doesn't exist. Because there is good (God) and then evil (absence of God) - and they don't believe in him, are they product of evil (I mean those religions) ?
Are they work of evil to draw attention not to God, but to something other ?
OK, and last question - (if answer to last question is yes) - are those people evil / bad becouse there are spreading their non-christian religion ? (maybe there don't mean to do bad thing - they believe that they are doing good, but unknowingly doing bad)

(DISCLAIMER: I do not want to harass or find excuse to disdain non-christian people, I just want to know answer to stated questions)

Many thanks

[Filthy Tugboat]

I am not offering opinion, I am offering the scientific views of scientists. If you choose not to follow up on the source of this science, you only have yourself to blame for ignorance of the science.

OTOH...The world is nothing more than an embodiment of the objects perceived by the five sense-organs. Since, through these five sense-organs, a single mind perceives the world, the world is nothing but the mind. Apart from the mind can there be a world?

What are you offering? Stories from a 7th century illiterate?

Sorry for the late reply, may you explain how evolution makes you alive now?

The universe as it is now perceived by we sentient beings is the emergent result of 13.7 billion years of evolution. Evolution occurs and in occurring at every level of existence " including the spiritual.

From a single cell a human being develops in nine months. Remarkable isnt it?

Now imagine what can happen over 18 billion times that period.

No, this is wrong.

What happens to the sperm inside the egg is not development at all.

You don't seem to understand the definition of development, if you wish to remedy this, check this out.

On the contrary, it is against development, it is defined stages according to defined rules executed perfectly.

I honestly don't know what it would look like for human birth to be "executed perfectly", what would the human birth process look like when "executed perfectly"?

Do you know what is the meaning of evolution??

There are different kinds of evolution, biological evolution usually being the most frequently discussed on these forums but this should help you understand the different definitions of evolution.

[bernee51]

I am not offering opinion, I am offering the scientific views of scientists. If you choose not to follow up on the source of this science, you only have yourself to blame for ignorance of the science.

OTOH...The world is nothing more than an embodiment of the objects perceived by the five sense-organs. Since, through these five sense-organs, a single mind perceives the world, the world is nothing but the mind. Apart from the mind can there be a world?

What are you offering? Stories from a 7th century illiterate?

Sorry for the late reply, may you explain how evolution makes you alive now?

The universe as it is now perceived by we sentient beings is the emergent result of 13.7 billion years of evolution. Evolution occurs and in occurring at every level of existence " including the spiritual.

From a single cell a human being develops in nine months. Remarkable isnt it?

Now imagine what can happen over 18 billion times that period.

No, this is wrong.

Because you say so?

What happens to the sperm inside the egg is not development at all.

The world of biology disagrees with you.

On the contrary, it is against development, it is defined stages according to defined rules executed perfectly.

Are you claiming that every fertilized ovum follows rules that are executed perfectly? If so what exactly do you mean by this? And if so how do you explain teratogenesis?

Do you know what is the meaning of evolution??

I have affair idea, do you?

But for the time being I will simplify my understanding to reflect it as being the process by which one state of existence is included in and transcended by another state of existence.

[happy forever]

I will simplify my understanding to reflect it as being the process by which one state of existence is included in and transcended by another state of existence.

Thank you, it is intelligence to have your own analysis.

In order to get a point of mutual understanding and penetrate the core of this logical case, let's answer why?

one state of existence is included in and transcended by another state of existence. Why this transcendence?


Thanks again for your respectful debate.

[bernee51]

I will simplify my understanding to reflect it as being the process by which one state of existence is included in and transcended by another state of existence.

Thank you, it is intelligence to have your own analysis.

In order to get a point of mutual understanding and penetrate the core of this logical case, let's answer why?

one state of existence is included in and transcended by another state of existence. Why this transcendence?


Thanks again for your respectful debate.

Evolution is a self-transcending process, it ges beyond what went befor, taking what went before then adding incredibly novel components. There is tendency, as Teilhard de Chardin noted, to complexify. In the early universe sub-atomic particles attracted to each other became basic atoms. the basic atome attracted to each other became molecules, the molecules complexified in the forge of the stars to become the heavier elements. Stars exploded , sending heavy elements into teh cosmos. These, attracted to each other, became the planets. Each step included and transcended the step before.

The move to complexify, to transcsend, is intrinsic to existence.

[catalyst]

Hi everyone,

I would like to ask question about origin of non-christian religions (this is my first post , I'm christian )
OK - so I've been thinking and idea came:
As a christian, I believe in God, his creation of universe . There are, however, other religions such as buddhism, taoism, muslim, etc.
They don't believe in God *AND* because God is one who created universe (and they don't believe in him), their gods doesn't exist. Because there is good (God) and then evil (absence of God) - and they don't believe in him, are they product of evil (I mean those religions) ?
Are they work of evil to draw attention not to God, but to something other ?
OK, and last question - (if answer to last question is yes) - are those people evil / bad becouse there are spreading their non-christian religion ? (maybe there don't mean to do bad thing - they believe that they are doing good, but unknowingly doing bad)

(DISCLAIMER: I do not want to harass or find excuse to disdain non-christian people, I just want to know answer to stated questions)

Many thanks

You may well find out that many religions out there (and in fact most) pre-date your chosen christianity. As such, perhaps it is you as a christian who should be investigating the origins of YOUR faith. You have to remember that in time, 2000"ish"( being kind, allowing an additional 1000 yrs for the OT stuff)...so 3000 years ago is just a drop in the bucket, so perhaps it is the god model YOU subscribe to is dishing out the "lies", when there is mass evidence to support that other god models had been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years before the one YOU believe in, came en vogue?

I truly think that christians have to remember, in the scheme of things, their chosen religion is relatively young.

BTW. I am an atheist. I was however a christian for near 25 years; preaching and teaching, so I am not replying to you from the position of not "understanding" where your questions come from.

Catalyst

[happy forever]

Evolution is a self-transcending process.

Thanks again, brother, for your respectful debate.

You get to the core of our discussion.

You claim that the great existence is made by itself.

I say that this great existence is created by The Creator.

How can we discover the truth?

Everyone of us should provide evidence for his claim.

You have to prove that everything is done by itself without The Creator so it started by itself and live by its own rules.

I will prove that The One The Creator is Who controls everything and without Him, there is no life at all.

So the question which is to be answered is WHY?

Why everything goes in that way?

How this mindless universe reaches this state now? Why these targets and rules which set by the inanimate mindless things and on which bases?

The mind says that everything is done by a doer, prove me that you are created without a doer without, mind, without organizer.

Thanks again for your politeness.
Thanks again brother

[bernee51]

Evolution is a self-transcending process.

Thanks again, brother, for your respectful debate.

You get to the core of our discussion.

You claim that the great existence is made by itself.

In the absence of any other evidence that is the only conclusion I can come to.

I say that this great existence is created by The Creator.

I do not doubt this is what you believe.

How can we discover the truth?

Why, in the context of living a purposeful life, it is it necessary to determine some external 'truth'?

Everyone of us should provide evidence for his claim.

You have to prove that everything is done by itself without The Creator so it started by itself and live by its own rules.

As there is no evidence that it happened in any other way the ONLY conclusion to which I can come is that we are part of an emergent evoving universe.

I will prove that The One The Creator is Who controls everything and without Him, there is no life at all.

I look forward to your proof. Bear in mind, I do not hold religious texts to be anything other than evidence of the beliefs of those who wrote them.

So the question which is to be answered is WHY?

Actually I think the question is ...why is it important? Why does a god belief have so much importance that it leads to so much division?

Why everything goes in that way?

How this mindless universe reaches this state now? Why these targets and rules which set by the inanimate mindless things and on which bases?

The universe has no choice but to be as it is. Without the rules it would not be as it is. Why is a puddle the same shape as the hole it fills?

The mind says that everything is done by a doer, prove me that you are created without a doer without, mind, without organizer.

And the minds idea of a doer could be an illusion to help make sense of existence. There may be no doer there may only be an emergence.

Thanks again for your politeness.
Thanks again brother

May you be peaceful, kind, loving and happy.

[happy forever]

The universe has no choice but to be as it is. Without the rules it would not be as it is. Why is a puddle the same shape as the hole it fills?.

Unexpected reply. Don't you know that the false evolution tries hardly to answer by in a stupid way?

If you see a picture of a beautiful natural scene, you wonder its painter. And when you see the natural scene itself, you say it is as is?!!

May you be peaceful, kind, loving and happy

May Allah guide you, good brother

[Adurumus]

The universe has no choice but to be as it is. Without the rules it would not be as it is. Why is a puddle the same shape as the hole it fills?.

Unexpected reply. Don't you know that the false evolution tries hardly to answer by in a stupid way?

If you see a picture of a beautiful natural scene, you wonder its painter. And when you see the natural scene itself, you say it is as is?!!

May you be peaceful, kind, loving and happy

May Allah guide you, good brother

It is possible to program a random number generator that makes music, or something to procedurally generate art. Random things can indeed be beautiful.

[happy forever]

It is possible to program a random number generator that makes music, or something to procedurally generate art. Random things can indeed be beautiful.

Yes, and the program is not programmed and the numbers emerged from nothing and evoluted to have sound and make this random nice music.

Wait only a thousand years if your computer is modern and this music will evolve itself to very accurate beautiful quite music.

It is a matter of random and time, is this your evolution?!!!