Is there an atheist agenda?

[David 2.0]

Authors note: I would like to thank McCulloch for his time and input into the phrasing of this question. Credit is due. Thankyou!

Questions for debate.

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

4.Do world views have a hidden or unintended agenda? Must they propagate to survive?

Feel free to answer one or all.

[Metatron]

Authors note: I would like to thank McCulloch for his time and input into the phrasing of this question. Credit is due. Thankyou!

Questions for debate.

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

4.Do world views have a hidden or unintended agenda? Must they propagate to survive?

Feel free to answer one or all.

This is pretty much like asking the question, "Is there a theist agenda?" Since the term atheist simply refers to those people who lack a belief in deities, it is difficult to ascribe an agenda to a group whose only commonality is the aforementioned lack of belief. Obviously, there can exist sub-groups of this broad classification that have some sort of militant anti-theistic agenda just as there are sub-groups of theists that have defined agendas of their own.

[Goat]

Authors note: I would like to thank McCulloch for his time and input into the phrasing of this question. Credit is due. Thankyou!

Questions for debate.

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

All atheists share one trait, and that is the 'lack of belief in a God'. Other than that, there might be atheists that have an agenda, but there is no atheist agenda.

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

There is no 'end result' of atheism. There is no goal or endgame. Since, as it is defined , there is no goal nor anything to be satisfied. The only end game is the end game we all have... .. and that is the end of life. There might be specific philosophies that atheists subscribe to that might have those, but it is not inherent in atheism.

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

That depends on the individual atheist. The only thing any atheist will definitely have in common with all other atheist's is the lack of belief in a deity.

[Pat2]

="David 2.0"]Authors note: I would like to thank McCulloch for his time and input into the phrasing of this question. Credit is due. Thankyou!

Questions for debate.

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

4.Do world views have a hidden or unintended agenda? Must they propagate to survive?

Feel free to answer one or all.

Logic supports the position that there is!

How else does one explain [much less justify] the clamor they make?

If indeed there is no God; and they can convience themselves of this, what is the necessity to challange others who hold that there is a God, except for the fact that they themslves have doubts about there position?

In effect they attempt to sell "nothing" while Christians try to sell a lot of somethings.

The point of puzzlement for me is how nasty some them are. Way beyond adamant.

I have gotten past the lack of logic as I find at times, similar obstanancy in the Protestant ranks. And yes, we Catholics do hold to strong views. The difference is we can provide evidence as to why and how we can and do what we do. Assuming that we are dealing with people who can be logical and open to singular truths, and understand the signifiance of the Bible.

So, grandpa used to saY "ya don't want to know, then don't ask."

God Bless you,
Pat

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

Only insofar as there's atheists with something to say.

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

My atheism is "satisfied" in the notion I've come to the best conclusion I could based on the best evidence I have.

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

Atheism, by its very nature, can't broach religiosity. I propose atheists should strive to "convert" folks in a manner that is inclusive of as many points of view as it may allow. "God did it" just happens to not be an "acceptable" point of view to the atheist.

4.Do world views have a hidden or unintended agenda? Must they propagate to survive?

Unintended consequences is how I might phrase it. It would seem as if all notions must propagate to some extent in order to survive.

Feel free to answer one or all.

Obliged, and we 'preciate the OP.

[bernee51]

="David 2.0"]Authors note: I would like to thank McCulloch for his time and input into the phrasing of this question. Credit is due. Thankyou!

Questions for debate.

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

4.Do world views have a hidden or unintended agenda? Must they propagate to survive?

Feel free to answer one or all.

Logic supports the position that there is!

How else does one explain [much less justify] the clamor they make?

Drat Pat...you have seen through us...the Evil Atheist Agenda is exposed...is that the sound of black helicopters over your house?

If indeed there is no God; and they can convience themselves of this, what is the necessity to challange others who hold that there is a God, except for the fact that they themslves have doubts about there position?

Because Pat, it is often the case that those who DO believe wish to have THEIR belifs imposed on those who do not beleive.

Because Pat those who DO believe in a particular god, often hate the bejesus out of those who believe in a differnt god and in so doing make a hell of this abundant paradise.

God belief can cause division, division causes conflict.

A god who demands conversion is a god of violence

In effect they attempt to sell "nothing" while Christians try to sell a lot of somethings.

And therein lies the conflict....

The point of puzzlement for me is how nasty some them are. Way beyond adamant.

Aww diddums...are your poor little catholic sensitivities smarting?

I have gotten past the lack of logic as I find at times,...

Isn't irony amusing....

The difference is we can provide evidence as to why and how we can and do what we do.

And the evidence is ...my grandpappy did it therefore i did it?

Assuming that we are dealing with people who can be logical and open to singular truths, and understand the signifiance of the Bible.

How about being open to a multitude of truths and realising the significance of the bible, and the koran, and the Adi Granth, and the Bhagavad Gita, and the Vedas and all the ancient wisdom texts and their influence on the evolution of community.

So, grandpa used to saY "ya don't want to know, then don't ask."

And why don't you want to know?

God Bless you,
Pat

God has blessed me with his anscence.

May you be happy, wise, loving and peaceful.

[Baz]

Groups have goals as do individuals.
Individuals will often have strong desires to promote their viewpoints, believing wholeheartedly that if enough people held similar views things would be better.
(I know I do a lot of the time) naturally they will argue their point of view in an effort to achieve this. (That would be an agenda)In my opinion that is a reasonable, sensible and natural agenda, regardless of what the viewpoint is.
I am also of the opinion that individuals promoting their views and beliefs are beneficial to society as a whole.
When groups form who agree on a particular point of view, the argument for that point of view obviously becomes stronger. (In its self that is not necessarily a bad thing)

Problems can easily arise when groups of idealists focus too strongly on this shared point of view. It becomes progressively harder to entertain any other point of view. Positive reinforcement from within the group further convinces its members they have the best viewpoint.
At this point often the problem occurs. The group decide that as they are most defiantly right and those that are not in agreement with them must be made to follow, for the good of everybody. ..... obviously.
Now this is a bad agenda.

If the group attains enough power and history repeat itself yet again the wish to make things better has the opposite affect.

[David 2.0]

I'm going to go one at a time.
I'm also just gonna say what I think, which usually means I'm about to get my behind handed to me in a debate!

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

On paper the answer is suppose to be be no. A strong definition of atheism would in theory prohibit it.

Unfortunately concepts tend to out grow there definition. They morph. They take on a life of there own.
They are reassigned value by outsiders, or by internal forces.

One of mankinds agendas (generally) is to make money. Make a living.

Can I make money off of this idea?(Atheism)
Well, I sure can.
Walla! A few days later you have an interesting read called, "God Blows. A Trumpet Players Journey To Peace Through Atheism."

It sells a billion copies. Simon and Sellbags decide to do a sequel. They also have five books scheduled to drop on the subject of atheism in the fall.

Word on the street is that there competitors are all falling suit.

Sure by definition Atheism sits in an ivory tower with no agenda. A harmless belief in no God. Is it perceived that way? Is it market that way? Has it taken on a life of its own? Does the human factor play any roll?

My gut tells me yes.

[Filthy Tugboat]

I'm going to go one at a time.
I'm also just gonna say what I think, which usually means I'm about to get my behind handed to me in a debate!

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

On paper the answer is suppose to be be no. A strong definition of atheism would in theory prohibit it.

Unfortunately concepts tend to out grow there definition. They morph. They take on a life of there own.
They are reassigned value by outsiders, or by internal forces.

One of mankinds agendas (generally) is to make money. Make a living.

Can I make money off of this idea?(Atheism)
Well, I sure can.
Walla! A few days later you have an interesting read called, "God Blows. A Trumpet Players Journey To Peace Through Atheism."

It sells a billion copies. Simon and Sellbags decide to do a sequel. They also have five books scheduled to drop on the subject of atheism in the fall.

Word on the street is that there competitors are all falling suit.

Sure by definition Atheism sits in an ivory tower with no agenda. A harmless belief in no God. Is it perceived that way? Is it market that way? Has it taken on a life of its own? Does the human factor play any roll?

My gut tells me yes.

Here you referenced anti-theism when talking about the novel writing, not atheism. So that kind of ruins your point. Some people have tried to capitalize on atheism but as far as I'm aware if they are fighting to abolish, oppose or belittle religion that is anti-theism. Movements for tolerance and equality could be based in atheism (depending on the movement) but a lot of the literature out and public debates are more a result of anti-theism than atheism.

[100%atheist]

Authors note: I would like to thank McCulloch for his time and input into the phrasing of this question. Credit is due. Thankyou!

Questions for debate.

1. Is there an atheist agenda?

There is probably no uniform atheist agenda because atheists are not united behind some specific concept. They can, however, unite against some dangers of religions. So, for example, opposing laws that allow to teach Judaism instead of history at schools would be an example of atheist agenda. But again, it is reaction rather than action.

2.What is the end result of atheism? Is there an end game? A goal? Can it be satisfied, if so how?

Atheism is the end result on its own. If one doesn't believe in god, s/he can't not believe any more.

3.Should atheism promote religious evolution? Or is it all or nothing? How does atheism fit in the spectrum of religious toleration?

Again, atheism in general does not promote anything. Some groups of atheists may. Others (probably, the majority) are not interested in that at all.

4.Do world views have a hidden or unintended agenda? Must they propagate to survive?

Yes, but this applies to theisms. Atheism isn't exactly a world view.