The full set of "all X" is less arbitrary than any limited "subset of X." Thus, if volition is a causal mechanism--as it seems to be, given our direct and unmediated experience of it as a causal mechanism--then it belongs in the full set of causal mechanisms. Strong arguments against volition would be needed to overcome the arbitrariness of any attempt to eliminate it from the full set.
Someone doesn't comprehend set theory.. And worst yet, tries to use it as circular argument to claim a Universal set doesn't negate the supposed to exist GOD set. Basically you are trying to argue existence doesn't exclude conscious beings. No really!, that's basically your lame argument. Well duh!, we are here aren't we? .. But what's really bad about your circular pleading argument is that a conscious mind can not represent a universal set of all sets simply because itself
REQUIRES CAUSATION!
You theist will do anything to avoid addressing the issue without having to try and circumvent logic and reason with self-collapsing circular arguments that literally plead for peoples ignorance. I have a little clue for you sir, applying infinite regress means breaking all sets apart until you find the point where you can no-longer regress. Hence to find the universal set X, you need to apply infinite regress. And you are unwilling to apply that to consciousness..
You ignore it like the plague.
Today's major world theisms do believe that God is the simplest possible entity in that God possesses no arbitrary constraints or limitations.
Are you saying a rock, yourself and I, empty space is more complex than your GOD? You do realize the utter fail of this argument right? Clearly you do not understand what complexity is, or what simplicity is... You clearly do not comprehend why a rock is more simple than anything with a conscious mind. A flea is more complex than something without a brain. We don't care what theism believes because theism doesn't reflect reality.
And I can easily debunk your arbitrary limits bs in dealing with anything conscious:
Is your GOD arbitrarily limited in the ability to entirely destroy existence and then re-create existence itself so he himself can exist? Your argument is like saying he could destroy himself entirely and then recreate himself willingly from a position of non-existence.
No arbitrary limits is exactly the same thing as trying say your god is omnipotent. All arbitrary allows you to say is "well, he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to" as some sort of lame escape route when considering that omnipotence is a logical fallacy to begin with.
Can he create information into existence so he can know he exists? How about knowledge so he can have the ability of intelligence? Do tell us how your god designed and created consciousness...
This is just to easy to debunk that it's literally ridiculous..
And to make it clear to him, there is only 1 universal set of all sets. That is existence itself.. The rules / substance of existence is causation of all that exists.
Sorry EduChris.., you have no relevant argument. And I will even demonstrate it very simply:
We will pretend our observable Universe was created by a being, or entire species of beings. These beings being highly intelligent and can manipulate physical laws to induce a big bang. We will even pretend they made Earth and all us Humans out of dirt (yes your bible says we are magically made of dirt as dirt people).. So we will just assume all of that for argument sake.. So here is the first question:
1) Are they GOD(s)
Explain to me what makes them GOD.. after you are done there, you can answer which of the following do we require most in order to exist. Hence, what is actually the source origin of our existence. What actually governs that of all things to which include the supposed beings, or supposed being.?
1) The beings in question?
2) Magical Unicorns?
3) Papa smurf?
4) A rock?
5) Pixie Fairy dust?
6) Existence itself and it's rules?
And I want you to explain in exact detail of your answer. And if you don't choose number (6), I want you to explain to me in exact detail how your other choice doesn't require number 6, and doesn't requires to follow the rules of number 6. I want you to explain to me how your choice would not require causation in exact detail...
And when you are done with that, I want to you explain to us why humans are not GOD's when we can create things from a preexisting existence.. Create things like light from a vacuum.. We might even be able to create a universe according some physics? So what exactly are you worshiping here? Power? ability? Ego? Elitism? .. Compared to fleas, humans are GODS... And what makes you think you don't have an infinite ingress of GODs? After all, it's logical to say a conscious being will always have a conscious creator and thus end up with infinite regress, and ingress of supposed creators. That's the funny thing about infinity and dealing with existence son. There can be an infinite number of universes, and infinite number of conscious beings, and infinite number of Earths in a hotel that has an infinite amount of room for an infinite amount of things.
But here's the kicker.. Compared to existence itself, everything else is indeed entirely irrelevant. That includes your concept of GOD.. Existence doesn't require any of you, or your GOD concepts to exist.
It's you that requires it to exist.
THUS ABRAHAMIC GODS ARE LOGICAL FALLACIES!