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Judaism is based on racism

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I cannot help but reject the faith of my mother's Jewish ancestors because nothing I've read in Jewish scriptures and in Jewish actions following those scriptures in modern Israel leads me to believe otherwise.

The racism is blanket racism, like white supremacy is blanket racism against all non-white people Judaism is blanket racism against all non-Jews.
There has been a concerted attempt in our times to cover over this racism by pointing to Falasha Jews for example and token Gentile converts but the actions of Israeli Jews towards Arab Palestinians shows the inherent racist ideology of Judaism. This is the major reason I refuse to identify with the Jewish religion as I will only work for the God of all people, not a special god for Jews only.

What do other Jews think of Israel's ethnic cleansing program to rid as many Palestinians from Palestine as possible and to make the lives of those who remain as miserable as possible?

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Re: Judaism is based on racism

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biomystic wrote:I cannot help but reject the faith of my mother's Jewish ancestors because nothing I've read in Jewish scriptures and in Jewish actions following those scriptures in modern Israel leads me to believe otherwise.

The racism is blanket racism, like white supremacy is blanket racism against all non-white people Judaism is blanket racism against all non-Jews.
There has been a concerted attempt in our times to cover over this racism by pointing to Falasha Jews for example and token Gentile converts but the actions of Israeli Jews towards Arab Palestinians shows the inherent racist ideology of Judaism. This is the major reason I refuse to identify with the Jewish religion as I will only work for the God of all people, not a special god for Jews only.

What do other Jews think of Israel's ethnic cleansing program to rid as many Palestinians from Palestine as possible and to make the lives of those who remain as miserable as possible?
I would say that you are reading too much anti-Semitic propaganda. While there are actions I don't agree with that Israel has done, to cal it' ethnic cleansing' is racist in and of itself.

Maybe if Hamas wouldn't send in children as suicide bombers, some of those security polices could be lifted.
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What the conservative administrations of Israel have done to the Palestinians is shameful and wrong, but that doesn't say anything about ethnic Jews or the religion of Judaism itself.

The violence HAMAS has caused is also wrong, but it doesn't give the Israeli government a license to kill or mistreat Palestinians, as it has done.

The government has enclosed so much Palestinian land that the idea of a sovereign Palestinian state is not even feasible anymore. That doesn't justify violence.... and it doesn't say anything about Judaism as a whole either.

It's a complicated situation because the government wants a Jewish State, but the thousands of Palestinian refugees want to return to their homes. And the more land Israel takes from the Palestinians, the more they will have to deal with coming to terms with lots of Palestinian citizens. The few Palestinians who are Israelis and Orthodox Jewish communities are growing (setting up the potential for a future internal conflict), and the only feasible outcome is a single state solution that isn't particularly Jewish. I prefer a two state solution, but I just don't see how that is any longer possible. And past Israeli administrations, as well as past administrations in the United States bare more responsibility for this reality than the Palestinians. HAMAS wouldn't have the political sway it has (they don't actually represent the whole of the Palestinian people, nor the Palestinians who voted for them) if Palestinians were granted a state decades ago. Terrorism would be a non-issue. The intifada's were a result of diplomacy not working (because of the unfairness of a non-state's demands vs. an American backed Israel's demands). HAMAS was elected to power (not because Palestinians wanted Israel to be whiped off the map) but because they were convinced that violence created more results than diplomacy -- and it did. Israel was forced to vacate Gaza because of the intifadas.

It's a really sad situation that will only get worse in the future (not for some religious reasons, not because "they've always hated each other," but because of the consequences of bad political decisions that have taken place and that continue to occur). Honestly, I'm depressed by the whole thing.

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Re: Judaism is based on racism

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Goat wrote:
biomystic wrote:I cannot help but reject the faith of my mother's Jewish ancestors because nothing I've read in Jewish scriptures and in Jewish actions following those scriptures in modern Israel leads me to believe otherwise.

The racism is blanket racism, like white supremacy is blanket racism against all non-white people Judaism is blanket racism against all non-Jews.
There has been a concerted attempt in our times to cover over this racism by pointing to Falasha Jews for example and token Gentile converts but the actions of Israeli Jews towards Arab Palestinians shows the inherent racist ideology of Judaism. This is the major reason I refuse to identify with the Jewish religion as I will only work for the God of all people, not a special god for Jews only.

What do other Jews think of Israel's ethnic cleansing program to rid as many Palestinians from Palestine as possible and to make the lives of those who remain as miserable as possible?
I would say that you are reading too much anti-Semitic propaganda. While there are actions I don't agree with that Israel has done, to cal it' ethnic cleansing' is racist in and of itself.

Maybe if Hamas wouldn't send in children as suicide bombers, some of those security polices could be lifted.
Please don't play that "anti-Semitic" card with me. It's the Jewish Orwellian canard that wants to reinvent what "Semite" means so that people like me who support real Semitic peoples, like the Palestinians, are branded by European Jews who are genetically descended from Eastern Europeans and Central Asians as my own dna shows, as enemies of Jews. What I've based my opinions re Judaism on are the Torah/Tanakh/Talmud statements re Jewish relationships with Gentiles plus the non-political/non-religious facts pointing to rather strict racial selection observance in past Jewish communities that produced the long term existence of the Cohen marker which never would have lasted so long without such racial selection. The diseases specific to us Ashkenazim also point to severe racial selection, the inbreeding problems that even the Amish communities are experiencing. I cannot fathom any real spiritual reason why God would want to establish a genetically weak population of human beings to represent it no matter how smart they are from the Jewish selective breeding program. And then there's the most highly honored rabbi Maimonides who stated blacks were not human beings.

Having found the Vedic connection to the basic Abrahamic story I can now see the Brahmin hubris act work in Judaism where in Brahmins considered themselves "Priests of God" to have the other castes serve them as special to Brahma. In Judaism the "Priests of God" idea becomes the blanket racism that considers all other peoples lesser beings to serve the People special to God, the Jewish god, that is..

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Re: Judaism is based on racism

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biomystic wrote:
Goat wrote:
biomystic wrote:I cannot help but reject the faith of my mother's Jewish ancestors because nothing I've read in Jewish scriptures and in Jewish actions following those scriptures in modern Israel leads me to believe otherwise.

The racism is blanket racism, like white supremacy is blanket racism against all non-white people Judaism is blanket racism against all non-Jews.
There has been a concerted attempt in our times to cover over this racism by pointing to Falasha Jews for example and token Gentile converts but the actions of Israeli Jews towards Arab Palestinians shows the inherent racist ideology of Judaism. This is the major reason I refuse to identify with the Jewish religion as I will only work for the God of all people, not a special god for Jews only.

What do other Jews think of Israel's ethnic cleansing program to rid as many Palestinians from Palestine as possible and to make the lives of those who remain as miserable as possible?
I would say that you are reading too much anti-Semitic propaganda. While there are actions I don't agree with that Israel has done, to cal it' ethnic cleansing' is racist in and of itself.

Maybe if Hamas wouldn't send in children as suicide bombers, some of those security polices could be lifted.
Please don't play that "anti-Semitic" card with me. It's the Jewish Orwellian canard that wants to reinvent what "Semite" means so that people like me who support real Semitic peoples, like the Palestinians, are branded by European Jews who are genetically descended from Eastern Europeans and Central Asians as my own dna shows, as enemies of Jews. What I've based my opinions re Judaism on are the Torah/Tanakh/Talmud statements re Jewish relationships with Gentiles plus the non-political/non-religious facts pointing to rather strict racial selection observance in past Jewish communities that produced the long term existence of the Cohen marker which never would have lasted so long without such racial selection. The diseases specific to us Ashkenazim also point to severe racial selection, the inbreeding problems that even the Amish communities are experiencing. I cannot fathom any real spiritual reason why God would want to establish a genetically weak population of human beings to represent it no matter how smart they are from the Jewish selective breeding program. And then there's the most highly honored rabbi Maimonides who stated blacks were not human beings.

Having found the Vedic connection to the basic Abrahamic story I can now see the Brahmin hubris act work in Judaism where in Brahmins considered themselves "Priests of God" to have the other castes serve them as special to Brahma. In Judaism the "Priests of God" idea becomes the blanket racism that considers all other peoples lesser beings to serve the People special to God, the Jewish god, that is..
Well then, stop using anti-Semitic language, and pushing an Anti-Semitic concept. You are so misrepresenting the entire situation that it is obvious that it is you that is the racist.
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But I am not using "anti-Semitic" language if you could only see past your acceptance of how Zionist Jews have twisted the meaning of that word. I support Semitic peoples. Do you? If you say that supporting Semitic Palestinians is "anti-Semitic" where are you in reality, in real ethical consideration considering the now very well-known oppression through Apartheid treatment of Palestinians by Israeli Jews? Something even an ex-U.S. President spotted and, like me, was instantly accused of "anti-Semitism". It's a ruse to stop criticism of Judaism's tenets and actions of Jews against Gentiles, in our times mostly Arab Muslim Gentiles. And as such, it is part and parcel of the inherent racism within Judaism. You wouldn't get ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine without the same racist ideology behind Zionism that one can see historically in the European-American ethnic cleansing of Native Americans under their racist flag of "Manifest Destiny", meaning White People can kill and steal the land of indigenous populations. Sound familiar now? I have worked and still do in what's called "Indian Country" meaning I work with Native Americans and have done for going on two decades now. I am quite familiar with the attitudes of people whose land has been invaded by European colonial imperialists and much of my opinion of Israel is based on this. As well as seeing the logic of racist ideology within Jewish scriptures being carried out in reality in Palestine. I stand on truth of historical pattern of European colonial holocaust of indigenous people with Native Americans suffering the worst Holocaust of all peoples and any time, another truth Zionist Judaism does it best to deny while literally capitalizing on Western guilt for the Jewish holocaust.

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Thanks for making my point.

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biomystic wrote:I cannot help but reject the faith of my mother's Jewish ancestors because nothing I've read in Jewish scriptures and in Jewish actions following those scriptures in modern Israel leads me to believe otherwise.

The racism is blanket racism, like white supremacy is blanket racism against all non-white people Judaism is blanket racism against all non-Jews.
There has been a concerted attempt in our times to cover over this racism by pointing to Falasha Jews for example and token Gentile converts but the actions of Israeli Jews towards Arab Palestinians shows the inherent racist ideology of Judaism. This is the major reason I refuse to identify with the Jewish religion as I will only work for the God of all people, not a special god for Jews only.

What do other Jews think of Israel's ethnic cleansing program to rid as many Palestinians from Palestine as possible and to make the lives of those who remain as miserable as possible?
I'd say it keeps the Palestinians' ethnic cleansing plans for the Jews in check. You're aware they want the Jews all out of Israel, right? You're aware they refuse any and all permanent peace options, right? You're aware that their national charters call for the elimination of Israel, right? You know that more than a few of their leaders have called for the destruction of Jews everywhere, right? Why don't you focus your energies on trying to get the Iraqi government to give the Kurds total independence in the North instead?

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You're aware maybe that the Zionist movement was organized by Ashkenazim like me who are descendants of Eastern European/Central Asian Jewish converts. I know there's a concerted effort now in Judaism to deny this historical fact but I confirmed for myself when I had my dna analyzed tracking down my mother's Jewish ancestry. The great majority of my Jewish ancestors are in Eastern European countries with heredity going eastward only to Uzbekistan, which is in the heart of the old Khazar kingdom that converted to Judaism to avoid war and takeover by either Christians or Muslims. Yes, I do have a small trace of "real" Semitic Jewish ancestry from Tunisia and Libya but I refuse to use this for any "Right of Return" to Israel as if it were my ancestor's homeland. That would be like Americans with Welsh ancestry like I have on my father's side going back to Wales and claiming it for themselves, saying the Anglos and Saxons have no right there, it's ours. Or a worse comparison, it would be like Chinese Muslims going to Mecca and claiming Saudi Arabia as their "homeland" because they're Muslim converts. The whole thing's absurd and only Western secular and Christian collaboration with this historical absurdity in order to establish a Control Colony overseeing Middle East oil and Suez Canal has allowed it to be maintained in the face of U.N.'s Charter forbidding outsiders to stop indigenous people's right to self-determination.

Westerners have been so bombarded by negative images of Arabs that they fall for the Zionist ruse that wants you to forget that ANY self-respecting ethnic population regardless of official national standing or not will FIGHT foreign aggressors who come into their lands with the intent to take it over for themselves. This is the 500 year history of European aggression and takeover of non-European lands and history records that in those lands where the foreigners fail to become the majority population, they are eventually kicked out, e.g. India, Rhodesia, South Africa, and eventually Israel which is why Israeli Jews are so determined to drive Arab Palestinians out of Palestine. But it won't work. There are not enough Jews in the world willing to become cannon fodder for Zionism and even in Israel by 2050 Israeli Palestinians will become the majority population in Israel: Bye-bye Israel by 2100 and as far as I'm concerned good riddance to a very bad idea. To any Israeli or Jewish person who bothers to become friends of Palestinians there is no fear at all of being driven into the sea as I've walked the streets in the West Bank amid Palestinians without any fear as these people are just in the same boat as my Native American tribal friends only they're in a better position to fight back and regain their country while here in America natives have been over-populated by Europeans. Look at the French Resistance in WW II to see the real comparison to Palestinian freedom fighters. No one but Nazis condemned them even though their resistance tactics were utterly brutal because the greater cause was recognized as legit. It's only Zionist success at creating an image in the Western mind of "Terrorists" Arabs riding on political expediency of Western oil-dependent nations that continues this phony condemnation of Palestinian right to self-determination.

Did you know that the 1948 Partition of Palestine U.N. agreement breaks U.N.'s Charter protecting the right to self-determination of indigenous populations? Do you understand what it would be like to be a Palestinian in 1948 to see a Big Five power play using their newly created U.N. to move literally millions of European Jews into your country without you or any single Palestinian having any say in the matter? Do you think you might be angry?

Good God Almighty! It's really past time Westerners think straight about Palestine and the Middle East. The real problem focused there is Abrahamic religious warfare that must be stopped and that's what I'm about--trying to reveal the lack of spiritual authenticity in all three of the Abrahamic faiths because they're all three based on historical lies, on religious myths of origin that keep fueling these religious wars, e.g. the myth of Israel's god giving a deed to Jews to all the land of Canaan when the original Canaanite confederation of city-states and inland tribes worked ok because trade was more important than religion in Canaan lacking any large agricultural base to support armies of conquest as their more powerful neighbors like Egypt had. Israelites just got too much hubris when Canaan fell apart and decided to take everything instead of sharing the land of Canaan. Same problem today and it's Abrahamic religious based. That's the real enemy of peace-these ancient Zombie religions where dead men control the living from their graves.

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