Judaism is based on racism

[biomystic]

I cannot help but reject the faith of my mother's Jewish ancestors because nothing I've read in Jewish scriptures and in Jewish actions following those scriptures in modern Israel leads me to believe otherwise.

The racism is blanket racism, like white supremacy is blanket racism against all non-white people Judaism is blanket racism against all non-Jews.
There has been a concerted attempt in our times to cover over this racism by pointing to Falasha Jews for example and token Gentile converts but the actions of Israeli Jews towards Arab Palestinians shows the inherent racist ideology of Judaism. This is the major reason I refuse to identify with the Jewish religion as I will only work for the God of all people, not a special god for Jews only.

What do other Jews think of Israel's ethnic cleansing program to rid as many Palestinians from Palestine as possible and to make the lives of those who remain as miserable as possible?

[cnorman18]

From here:

"A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[80] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[81]

A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[82]

Concerning male-line ancestry, several Y-DNA studies have tested the hypothesis of Khazar ancestry amongst Ashkenazim.[83][84][85] In these studies Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (sometimes called Eu 19) have been identified as potential evidence of one line of Eastern European ancestry amongst Ashkenazim, which could possibly be Khazar. One concluded that "neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin"[84] and another that "if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim."[83]"

Sources are at the footnotes in the link.

I would like very much to know more about your DNA tests. Who performed them, where, the standards employed, and the specific results of the tests in proper scientific format. Right out front; I don't think any such tests were ever performed. Feel free to prove otherwise.

The "Khazar Jews" theory was discredited through GENETIC evidence long ago, as detailed above and at greater length in the link. It remains popular -- in fact, it exists -- today only on antisemitic websites and in antisemitic books and pamphlets. Google it, everyone, and see for yourselves.

Besides; even if it WERE true, it is irrelevant. Converts to Judaism, which have been allowed since Abraham's day, are, by Jewish law, as Jewish as any Cohen who can trace his ancestors back to Aaron (which genealogy has also been indicated by genetic testing; a majority of male Kohanim today bear the genetic marker of a Middle Eastern man who lived approximately 1500 BCE. See here).

So much for "Khazar" ancestry among the Kohanim.

Have a nice day.

[biomystic]

Well, you're cited evidence only goes to prove Judaism is based on racism. Those markers continuity could have only been maintained through racial selection as the Ashkenazim propensity to inbred diseases shows.

My dna testing was done by the same outfit National Geographic used in their human genetic history issue, Family Tree DNA, but actually, I don't trust them, the guys at the helm are most all Jewish, so it's like trusting Storm Front to give you accurate information about Israel. And then there is the fact that my own dna heredity seems only to confirm the Khazar hypothesis, with Ashkenazim ancestry seeming to only as far towards the Middle East as Uzbekistan, with again traces of Sephardic genes from Tunisia and Libya. Maybe mine's your "12%" Khazar related, I don't know but when I was in Israel/Palestine on two occasions and looked around at Israelis and Palestinians overall there was this obvious European majority look to Israeli Jews. My uncle was very dark-skinned but my mother and the rest of her family was not, kinda mirroring the Ashkenazim/Sephardic proportions in my heredity. I'm not a geneticist but there does need to be non-Jewish ones doing genetic research as I think this issue was too important to Zionist Judaism to be left in the hands of Gentiles. My personal paranoia perhaps but there it is--you using Jewish sources of information for your rebuttal. Is it science or is it propaganda?

And btw, I would appreciate you not using the term "anti-semite" in reference to people who don't like Judaism or Zionism? I have many Semitic friends who are victims of Zionist Jews and when you continue to use the Jewish Orwellian twisting of meaning of "Semitic" into its opposite, it's like you using the word "nigger" to refer to Negroes, it was accepted American usage until culture caught up to social justice. It's time to retire "anti-semite" and start realizing non-Jews or Christians of Jewish descent like me do not have to like Judaism or the Jewish religious state of Israel just like we don't have to like Catholicism or the Vatican or Islam and Muslim nations. Dislike doesn't have to be used politically.

[Goat]

Well, you're cited evidence only goes to prove Judaism is based on racism. Those markers continuity could have only been maintained through racial selection as the Ashkenazim propensity to inbred diseases shows.

My dna testing was done by the same outfit National Geographic used in their human genetic history issue, Family Tree DNA, but actually, I don't trust them, the guys at the helm are most all Jewish, so it's like trusting Storm Front to give you accurate information about Israel. And then there is the fact that my own dna heredity seems only to confirm the Khazar hypothesis, with Ashkenazim ancestry seeming to only as far towards the Middle East as Uzbekistan, with again traces of Sephardic genes from Tunisia and Libya. Maybe mine's your "12%" Khazar related, I don't know but when I was in Israel/Palestine on two occasions and looked around at Israelis and Palestinians overall there was this obvious European majority look to Israeli Jews. My uncle was very dark-skinned but my mother and the rest of her family was not, kinda mirroring the Ashkenazim/Sephardic proportions in my heredity. I'm not a geneticist but there does need to be non-Jewish ones doing genetic research as I think this issue was too important to Zionist Judaism to be left in the hands of Gentiles. My personal paranoia perhaps but there it is--you using Jewish sources of information for your rebuttal. Is it science or is it propaganda?

And btw, I would appreciate you not using the term "anti-semite" in reference to people who don't like Judaism or Zionism? I have many Semitic friends who are victims of Zionist Jews and when you continue to use the Jewish Orwellian twisting of meaning of "Semitic" into its opposite, it's like you using the word "nigger" to refer to Negroes, it was accepted American usage until culture caught up to social justice. It's time to retire "anti-semite" and start realizing non-Jews or Christians of Jewish descent like me do not have to like Judaism or the Jewish religious state of Israel just like we don't have to like Catholicism or the Vatican or Islam and Muslim nations. Dislike doesn't have to be used politically.

When it comes to hate talk.. proclaiming Judaism is 'racist', well, that is anti-Semitic. Hate talk is hate talk. I know you don't like to have that pointed out, but it is.

[otseng]

Well, you're cited evidence only goes to prove Judaism is based on racism.

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[cnorman18]

Well, you're cited evidence only goes to prove Judaism is based on racism. Those markers continuity could have only been maintained through racial selection as the Ashkenazim propensity to inbred diseases shows.

Except that the Jews, throughout most of our history, were forcibly separated from the Gentile population by the Gentile authorities, and not by our own decision, in ghettos and shetls.

And -- you can't have it both ways, dude; the small proportion of Khazar DNA, and that of many other ethnic and cultural groups, proves that Jews did not and do not practice "racial selection." Judaism has ALWAYS been open to converts; I should know. I am a convert to Judaism myself.

My dna testing was done by the same outfit National Geographic used in their human genetic history issue, Family Tree DNA, but actually, I don't trust them, the guys at the helm are most all Jewish, so it's like trusting Storm Front to give you accurate information about Israel. And then there is the fact that my own dna heredity seems only to confirm the Khazar hypothesis, with Ashkenazim ancestry seeming to only as far towards the Middle East as Uzbekistan, with again traces of Sephardic genes from Tunisia and Libya. Maybe mine's your "12%" Khazar related, I don't know but when I was in Israel/Palestine on two occasions and looked around at Israelis and Palestinians overall there was this obvious European majority look to Israeli Jews. My uncle was very dark-skinned but my mother and the rest of her family was not, kinda mirroring the Ashkenazim/Sephardic proportions in my heredity.

Yes, it's so easy to genetically classify people by their appearance. Phfft.

I'm not a geneticist...

No kidding.

...but there does need to be non-Jewish ones doing genetic research as I think this issue was too important to Zionist Judaism to be left in the hands of Gentiles. My personal paranoia perhaps but there it is--you using Jewish sources of information for your rebuttal. Is it science or is it propaganda?

So your suspicions boil down to "Jews lie." Thanks for clarifying.

And btw, I would appreciate you not using the term "anti-semite" in reference to people who don't like Judaism or Zionism? I have many Semitic friends who are victims of Zionist Jews and when you continue to use the Jewish Orwellian twisting of meaning of "Semitic" into its opposite, it's like you using the word "nigger" to refer to Negroes, it was accepted American usage until culture caught up to social justice. It's time to retire "anti-semite" and start realizing non-Jews or Christians of Jewish descent like me do not have to like Judaism or the Jewish religious state of Israel just like we don't have to like Catholicism or the Vatican or Islam and Muslim nations. Dislike doesn't have to be used politically.

"Antisemitism" has always had only one meaning; "Jew-hate," which was the expression it was coined to replace, as documented by McCulloch above. The person who coined it was a German fascist and anti-Semite named Wilhelm Mahr, or Marr, and he did it in 1879. It's a perfectly good word with a long-settled definition; the only places I've seen attempts to redefine it as meaning "hatred of all Semitic peoples" have been in antisemitic books and on antisemitic websites. Same is true for the "Modern Jews are not really Jews, but Khazars" nonsense. The link I have already given makes that clear.

I won't stop using the word, thanks -- and you might widen your reading a bit to include sources that don't reinforce your own assumptions and prejudices.

Nobody said anyone had to "like" Israel or Judaism; but if one tends to repeat long-discredited nonsense and spout obvious prejudice, that's quite another matter. "Dislike" without sufficient reasoning behind it, particularly "dislike" of an entire nation or cultural or religious group based on gross and grossly suspect misinformation, is by definition "prejudice." You might consider the bias and agenda of YOUR sources, as opposed to assuming that the information which refutes them comes from Zionist liars and Jewish conspirators.

Have a nice day.

[biomystic]

Well, it looks like you really did swallow the whole Jewish schtick, hook, line and sinker with all the prejudices involved in becoming a bigot against Gentiles. If you want to keep swallowing Jewish disinformation about Ashkenazim that's your business but being one myself and knowing basic sociology rules of human community interrations, I refuse to join in the Jewish bigotry that is responsible for much of the historical hatred aimed at Jews. If you take some sociology courses or basic anthropology ones you will find that the way tribalism gave way to the greater good of larger communities was to defeat xenophobia by rituals meant to overcome tribal barriers. I'm talking specifically about such things as sharing meals and intermarriage, both of these primary social actions forbidden in ancient Judaism and in Ashkenazim convert Judaism which is why there are the diseases specific to Ashkenazim and why the Cohen gene has lasted so long. You've haven't addressed this issue because it topples Judaism as a non-racist religion which it is trying desperately now to claim itself by pointing to token Gentile converts like yourself who if you check do not have the same rights in Judaism as us "real" Jews, i.e. you are second-class citizens in Judaism. And in Israel, Palestinian Israelis are second-class citizens and in Palestine they are targets to kill if they dare resist armed Israeli aggression and land stealing.

Get some morals, guy, and choose a better religion.

[biomystic]

Well, it looks like you really did swallow the whole Jewish schtick, hook, line and sinker with all the prejudices involved in becoming a bigot against Gentiles. If you want to keep swallowing Jewish disinformation about Ashkenazim that's your business but being one myself and knowing basic sociology rules of human community interrations, I refuse to join in the Jewish bigotry that is responsible for much of the historical hatred aimed at Jews. If you take some sociology courses or basic anthropology ones you will find that the way tribalism gave way to the greater good of larger communities was to defeat xenophobia by rituals meant to overcome tribal barriers. I'm talking specifically about such things as sharing meals and intermarriage, both of these primary social actions forbidden in ancient Judaism and in Ashkenazim convert Judaism which is why there are the diseases specific to Ashkenazim and why the Cohen gene has lasted so long. You've haven't addressed this issue because it topples Judaism as a non-racist religion which it is trying desperately now to claim itself by pointing to token Gentile converts like yourself who if you check do not have the same rights in Judaism as us "real" Jews, i.e. you are second-class citizens in Judaism. And in Israel, Palestinian Israelis are second-class citizens and in Palestine they are targets to kill if they dare resist armed Israeli aggression and land stealing.

Since you've already opted out of your ancestors' religion I'd look around more and choose a better religion than Judaism if you care about humanity, all of them equally.

[cnorman18]

Well, it looks like you really did swallow the whole Jewish schtick, hook, line and sinker with all the prejudices involved in becoming a bigot against Gentiles.

Ah. No actual arguments or facts, just more smoke-blowing and repetition of your prejudices. Check.

If you want to keep swallowing Jewish disinformation about Ashkenazim that's your business but being one myself and knowing basic sociology rules of human community interrations, I refuse to join in the Jewish bigotry that is responsible for much of the historical hatred aimed at Jews.

So the historical hatred of Jews is justified. IOW, "blame the victim." Check.

If you take some sociology courses or basic anthropology ones you will find that the way tribalism gave way to the greater good of larger communities was to defeat xenophobia by rituals meant to overcome tribal barriers. I'm talking specifically about such things as sharing meals and intermarriage, both of these primary social actions forbidden in ancient Judaism...

Joseph, one of the twelve sons of Jacob, married an Egyptian woman; her sons became Patriarchs, with the half-tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim taking their names. Moses Himself married a Midianite woman. One of the greatest of our rabbis, Akiva, was the grandson of converts. prophet Obadiah was himself a convert. There are many more -- including the paradigmatic King, David son of Jesse, who was a descendant of Ruth the Moabite (which was the point of including the Book of Ruth in the canon, of course -- to show that converts were as fully Jewish as any other Jew).

...and in Ashkenazim convert Judaism which is why there are the diseases specific to Ashkenazim...

Sickle-cell anemia is specific to people with black African ancestry. Is that a closed group? A group doesn't have to be exclusive to carry a bad gene. But like you said, you're no geneticist.

...and why the Cohen gene has lasted so long.

Gene markers last forever, genius. That's why genetic diseases exist, too. Did you think they just vanish when they are diluted?

You've haven't addressed this issue because it topples Judaism as a non-racist religion which it is trying desperately now to claim itself by pointing to token Gentile converts like yourself who if you check do not have the same rights in Judaism as us "real" Jews, i.e. you are second-class citizens in Judaism.

IF -- I say IF -- you are actually of Jewish ancestry, you know very, very little about your heritage or the religion of your birth. If YOU would "check," it is actually forbidden in Jewish law for other Jews to mention the fact that one is a convert, unless one brings it up himself; there is no significance whatever to being a convert or a descendant of converts Judaism has ALWAYS welcomed converts, from the very beginning; some of our greatest martyrs are converts. As for "token converts," you show how little you know yet again; any Conservative or Reform synagogue in the world will have many converts -- there are dozens in my small shul alone. Even Orthodox shuls will have converts, though conversion to Orthodox Judaism takes longer and is more arduous. Honestly, a quick glance at Judaism 101, MyJewishLearning, or even Wikipedia would show you how false and, frankly, blatantly prejudiced and WRONG all your claims here are.

And in Israel, Palestinian Israelis are second-class citizens...

...which is (1) false; 20% of the population of Israel is Arab, and they work, buy and sell, own land and businesses, VOTE, and serve in the Knesset and the Israeli Army; and (2) irrelevant anyway, since the subject is Judaism and not Israeli citizenship. I have written elsewhere on the tenuous connection between the nation of Israel and the Jewish religion. They are not the same thing.

and in Palestine they are targets to kill if they dare resist armed Israeli aggression and land stealing.

Reducing a long and complex history to a couple of quick pejorative propaganda slogans. Seen it before. That's another debate, which I've engaged in MANY times, but it's off topic in this thread. We were talking about converts to Judaism, if you'll remember.

Since you've already opted out of your ancestors' religion I'd look around more and choose a better religion than Judaism if you care about humanity, all of them equally.

I don't need to make observations about your ill-informed and hateful prejudices; you keep making those points out of your own mouth.

If you're going to defame and smear an entire religion and culture, you might take the trouble to actually LEARN something about it, as opposed to swallowing whatever you're fed from whatever websites you go to. I'd love to see some of YOUR sources for this nonsense, by the way; why don't you post links when you post your canards and myths? I'm sure we'd all love to see your Authoritative Sources for this bigoted nonsense.

[otseng]

Well, it looks like you really did swallow the whole Jewish schtick, hook, line and sinker with all the prejudices involved in becoming a bigot against Gentiles.

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[biomystic]

Well, I was wondering how long it would take to stop debate on this issue and of course we are not allowed to talk about it now with any honesty lest we offend a particular religious group no matter what their beliefs are. In other words, we are asked not to make the logical conclusion that a racist religion inspires bigotry. I'm sorry to make intellectual honesty more important than catering to prejudiced peoples but that's me. Ban me for it. You will only show your lack of respect for truthful expression by your members. If I post this where you demand I do you will bury it and go on as if you can get away with this type of intellectual repression. So my complaint is posted here for all to read.