Noah and the Animals

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 311 here:

Noah did not take a lab and a terrier and a wolf and a fox and a coyote aboard the Ark. He took a pair of canines, male and female, and from them come all the different groups of canines that you see today.

For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the above statement is true and factual.

[Haven]

A literal interpretation of the Noah's Ark myth is one of the most ludicrous beliefs of conservative Christianity. Ignoring the fact that the Noah story is really just a reworked version of the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, the events it discusses are completely physically impossible. Additionally, there is no evidence of a global flood whatsoever. Plus, it would be impossible to repopulate the earth from just two members of each species / genus / whatever a "kind" is of animal, because there would not be enough genetic diversity to sustain a healthy population.

Read this for more information: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

[Moses Yoder]

A literal interpretation of the Noah's Ark myth is one of the most ludicrous beliefs of conservative Christianity. Ignoring the fact that the Noah story is really just a reworked version of the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, the events it discusses are completely physically impossible. Additionally, there is no evidence of a global flood whatsoever. Plus, it would be impossible to repopulate the earth from just two members of each species / genus / whatever a "kind" is of animal, because there would not be enough genetic diversity to sustain a healthy population.

Read this for more information: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

You say it would not be possible to populate the earth from two of each species, and yet you most likely believe in evolution, from the context. So basically you believe the entire earth was entirely populated from nothing. That would not be from 2 of each species, it would mean from where there were no prior species.

I go to a Bible study with one of the architects who helped design a replication of Noah's ark. You will be able to visit it in Kentucky if plans are accomplished. I look forward to having some of my questions answered there. It is being built full scale from what I heard.

http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/

[Artie]

You say it would not be possible to populate the earth from two of each species, and yet you most likely believe in evolution, from the context.

And you appear to believe in some sort of creationism. As far as I know there are many kinds of creationism such as

Young Earth creationism
Modern geocentrism
Omphalos hypothesis
Creation science
Old Earth creationism
Gap creationism
Day-Age creationism
Progressive creationism
Neo-Creationism
Intelligent design
Theistic evolution

Perhaps you could write in the left column on the forum which kind of creationism you believe in?

[Autodidact]

A literal interpretation of the Noah's Ark myth is one of the most ludicrous beliefs of conservative Christianity. Ignoring the fact that the Noah story is really just a reworked version of the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, the events it discusses are completely physically impossible. Additionally, there is no evidence of a global flood whatsoever. Plus, it would be impossible to repopulate the earth from just two members of each species / genus / whatever a "kind" is of animal, because there would not be enough genetic diversity to sustain a healthy population.

Read this for more information: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

You say it would not be possible to populate the earth from two of each species, and yet you most likely believe in evolution, from the context. So basically you believe the entire earth was entirely populated from nothing. That would not be from 2 of each species, it would mean from where there were no prior species.

I go to a Bible study with one of the architects who helped design a replication of Noah's ark. You will be able to visit it in Kentucky if plans are accomplished. I look forward to having some of my questions answered there. It is being built full scale from what I heard.

http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/

Does it float? How many animals fit on board?

[Metatron]

You say it would not be possible to populate the earth from two of each species, and yet you most likely believe in evolution, from the context. So basically you believe the entire earth was entirely populated from nothing. That would not be from 2 of each species, it would mean from where there were no prior species.

Please keep your terms straight. The whole "life from nothing" bit is abiogenesis not evolution. Two different concepts. There are theistic evolutionists out there who believe that God initiated life but still allow for the existence of evolution.

I go to a Bible study with one of the architects who helped design a replication of Noah's ark. You will be able to visit it in Kentucky if plans are accomplished. I look forward to having some of my questions answered there. It is being built full scale from what I heard.

http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/

Cool. Is the Noah's ark replica going to show where Noah installed the force field generator that would have been necessary to allow the ark to survive having the functional equivalent of Niagara Falls dumped on it for 40 days and nights? Or perhaps the sophisticated environmental simulators that would be necessary to keep such a diverse group of animals alive? Or maybe the advanced food replicating devices to feed over a million different species for a number of months (advanced indeed since many carnivores will only eat LIVE prey!) I also assume that he would need storage compartments to keep the teleportation devices that he would have previously used to bring all of these animals together from around the world since he will obviously need them to return the animals to their natural habitats (which admittedly may take a great many years to repair from having been flooded, but I digress.)

Look forward to seeing this ark in all of it's technological glory!

[Artie]

Does it float? How many animals fit on board?

I'm looking forward to the documentaries on National Geographic or Discovery showing how a few people get a pair of each of every kind of animal on board and their food and keep it afloat somewhere for 40 days of constant rain. And then wait an additional 336 days to get out. It will be an extraordinary feat and documentary!

[McCulloch]

Noah did not take a lab and a terrier and a wolf and a fox and a coyote aboard the Ark. He took a pair of canines, male and female, and from them come all the different groups of canines that you see today.

Here is a curious thing. Those who believe the Noah's ark story, do believe in a form of evolution, from a primordial canine to the diversity of canine species now existent. This evolution apparently has happened within a couple of thousand years, much much faster rate of evolution that has ever been observed or seems possible according to what we know about biology. Yet these same people deny that evolution could explain the diversity of life here on earth.

Here is another curious thing. Those who believe the Noah's ark story, do believe in a form of evolution, from a primordial canine to the diversity of canine species now existent. Yet they deny that there could possibly have been a primordial ape, the progenitor of all the Great Apes: Gorillas, Orangutangs, Chimpanzees and Humans.

You say it would not be possible to populate the earth from two of each species, and yet you most likely believe in evolution, from the context. So basically you believe the entire earth was entirely populated from nothing. That would not be from 2 of each species, it would mean from where there were no prior species.

Of the more complex forms of life, no, there were never just two of any species.

[scourge99]

Does it float? How many animals fit on board?

I'm looking forward to the documentaries on National Geographic or Discovery showing how a few people get a pair of each of every kind of animal on board and their food and keep it afloat somewhere for 40 days of constant rain. And then wait an additional 336 days to get out. It will be an extraordinary feat and documentary!

i want to know where he put all the freshwater and/or salt water fish and animals. And also how he got them back to all their oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, ponds, and swamps.

Not to mention how he managed to keep antarctic animals like penguins in climate controlled environments seperate from lions and turtles.

I suppose "magic"!!

[Autodidact]

Does it float? How many animals fit on board?

I'm looking forward to the documentaries on National Geographic or Discovery showing how a few people get a pair of each of every kind of animal on board and their food and keep it afloat somewhere for 40 days of constant rain. And then wait an additional 336 days to get out. It will be an extraordinary feat and documentary!

i want to know where he put all the freshwater and/or salt water fish and animals. And also how he got them back to all their oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, ponds, and swamps.

Not to mention how he managed to keep antarctic animals like penguins in climate controlled environments seperate from lions and turtles.

I suppose "magic"!!

And just ponder for a moment the journey of the sloths, across the great oceans at 1 m.p.h. Not to mention the wombats and the koalas. Bet you didn't know they could swim.