Same sex marriage is not a church issue.

[Christianity in crisis?]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

[Choir Loft]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

I am a Christian and believe that Biblical standards should be upheld, not diluted according to the whims of society and the fickle standards set by one generation of unbelievers or another.

Gay -anything- is wrong and should be forbidden in law, in practice and in preaching the gospel. God demands adherence to His righteousness and nothing less. If men and women behave any other way they are in rebellion against the will of God as revealed in the Bible.

That being said it should be noted that those who hold themselves apart from the gospel of Jesus Christ can be expected to do nothing less than to follow the dictates of their passions. It falls to those of us who know Christ to point the way to God's forgiveness and healing ways.

Those who call themselves Christians, deny the precepts of the Holy Bible, and yield their integrity to the call of the hedonistic society have fallen away. They are backslid and their lot is worse than if they had never believed at all. They are traitors to the gospel and unless they repent they too shall risk God's wrath. It is written that on the day a righteous man sins, all his righteousness will be forgotten.

We now come to matters of political importance. Those who pant after their passions like so many wild dogs want to be allowed to participate in their abominations. Even more, the Bible says they will denounce those who try to prevent it. Worse yet, the Bible says that because they have repeatedly and consistently refused the call to mercy, God has abandoned them to their self-deceptions and lusts. They are worse than animals, for God's kindness has been withdrawn for as long as they do perpetually indulge themselves.

It is being demanded of Christians to certify wickedness as good. Even more, it is being demanded that Christians shut up and retreat to dark corners AS IF WE WERE SOMEHOW TO BLAME for the filth in the world. Ultimately, there are those who call for the murder of Christians who declare the mercy and love of God. Is this really the kind of attitude that will benefit society? It is not. It is destroying society and it will destroy society because in truth there IS right and wrong. The gay life style is wrong.

Let us who are Christians not abandon the definitions of what is good and wicked. Let us not fall into the traps of the hedonists among us who merrily cry that wickedness is good and righteousness is evil. That way is foolishness and death.

Come out from the herd that follows its own nose into perdition. Come out and receive mercy and grace from the God of Heaven who has amply provided for salvation to those who come humbly to Him.

PS
Now here is a news flash for everyone whose feathers are ruffled, especially the gay crowd. You may hate and denounce Christians all day long if you choose. Because many Christians are not willing to stand up for their religion, you will get away with it for a while.

Now hear this, God is not willing that this abomination continue.

Islam is on the rise in America. The religion is on the rise in a mighty way. Nature abhors a vacuum, especially a spiritual one, and the Muslim is coming to fill the place Christianity has abdicated.

Islam is not as forgiving of the gay life style as the church has become. Preachers today are more concerned about their pitiful little jobs than in disseminating the truth. Therefore the Imam shall replace them, and the message of the Imam is not tolerant of the gay life style.

Enjoy your wickedness while you may oh ye of fleshy perversion. Enjoy bashing Christians and enjoy using your twisted logic to justify your twisted ways.

Islam is coming, and your abominations are about to come to a screeching halt.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

[99percentatheism]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

I am a Christian and believe that Biblical standards should be upheld, not diluted according to the whims of society and the fickle standards set by one generation of unbelievers or another.

Gay -anything- is wrong and should be forbidden in law, in practice and in preaching the gospel. God demands adherence to His righteousness and nothing less. If men and women behave any other way they are in rebellion against the will of God as revealed in the Bible.

That being said it should be noted that those who hold themselves apart from the gospel of Jesus Christ can be expected to do nothing less than to follow the dictates of their passions. It falls to those of us who know Christ to point the way to God's forgiveness and healing ways.

Those who call themselves Christians, deny the precepts of the Holy Bible, and yield their integrity to the call of the hedonistic society have fallen away. They are backslid and their lot is worse than if they had never believed at all. They are traitors to the gospel and unless they repent they too shall risk God's wrath. It is written that on the day a righteous man sins, all his righteousness will be forgotten.

We now come to matters of political importance. Those who pant after their passions like so many wild dogs want to be allowed to participate in their abominations. Even more, the Bible says they will denounce those who try to prevent it. Worse yet, the Bible says that because they have repeatedly and consistently refused the call to mercy, God has abandoned them to their self-deceptions and lusts. They are worse than animals, for God's kindness has been withdrawn for as long as they do perpetually indulge themselves.

It is being demanded of Christians to certify wickedness as good. Even more, it is being demanded that Christians shut up and retreat to dark corners AS IF WE WERE SOMEHOW TO BLAME for the filth in the world. Ultimately, there are those who call for the murder of Christians who declare the mercy and love of God. Is this really the kind of attitude that will benefit society? It is not. It is destroying society and it will destroy society because in truth there IS right and wrong. The gay life style is wrong.

Let us who are Christians not abandon the definitions of what is good and wicked. Let us not fall into the traps of the hedonists among us who merrily cry that wickedness is good and righteousness is evil. That way is foolishness and death.

Come out from the herd that follows its own nose into perdition. Come out and receive mercy and grace from the God of Heaven who has amply provided for salvation to those who come humbly to Him.

PS
Now here is a news flash for everyone whose feathers are ruffled, especially the gay crowd. You may hate and denounce Christians all day long if you choose. Because many Christians are not willing to stand up for their religion, you will get away with it for a while.

Now hear this, God is not willing that this abomination continue.

Islam is on the rise in America. The religion is on the rise in a mighty way. Nature abhors a vacuum, especially a spiritual one, and the Muslim is coming to fill the place Christianity has abdicated.

Islam is not as forgiving of the gay life style as the church has become. Preachers today are more concerned about their pitiful little jobs than in disseminating the truth. Therefore the Imam shall replace them, and the message of the Imam is not tolerant of the gay life style.

Enjoy your wickedness while you may oh ye of fleshy perversion. Enjoy bashing Christians and enjoy using your twisted logic to justify your twisted ways.

Islam is coming, and your abominations are about to come to a screeching halt.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

EXCELLENT POST RICHARDP



The Demons battling for the souls of men are fighting each other in a mighty way.

Just study Jannisaries.

Homosexuaity and pederasty done the Islamic way.

There's no question that history is repeating itself. The dead burying the derad and unable to see that they killed them.

Keep telling the truth and don't stop praying for the times in which we live.

[Haven]

I am a Christian and believe that Biblical standards should be upheld, not diluted according to the whims of society and the fickle standards set by one generation of unbelievers or another.

If you want to uphold "Biblical standards," then that's your right. However, you have no right to force such standards on anyone else.

Gay -anything- is wrong and should be forbidden in law, in practice and in preaching the gospel.

How would you feel if I said: "Christian -anything- is wrong and should be forbidden in law, in practice, and in indoctrinating for atheism." Not very good, right? Keep in mind that is the exact way LGBTQ people feel when bigots spew their hateful and ignorant vitriol against them.

Also, we don't live in a fascist state. The law is designed to protect the rights of minorities from the bigotries and tyrannies of the majority. You can practice your religion, but no one has the right to discriminate against others on the basis of religious beliefs.

God demands adherence to His righteousness and nothing less. If men and women behave any other way they are in rebellion against the will of God as revealed in the Bible.

I don't believe in your god, so why should I care what ancient people who erroneously claimed to speak for him "demand?"

Besides, the same book in the Bible -- Leviticus -- that called gay male sex an "abomination" also called eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics "abominations" as well. I hope you don't like lobster or cotton-polyester blends.

That being said it should be noted that those who hold themselves apart from the gospel of Jesus Christ can be expected to do nothing less than to follow the dictates of their passions. It falls to those of us who know Christ to point the way to God's forgiveness and healing ways.

Those who call themselves Christians, deny the precepts of the Holy Bible, and yield their integrity to the call of the hedonistic society have fallen away. They are backslid and their lot is worse than if they had never believed at all. They are traitors to the gospel and unless they repent they too shall risk God's wrath. It is written that on the day a righteous man sins, all his righteousness will be forgotten.

Four of the strongest "Christian leaders" I knew in college are now out-and-proud gay men. They struggled for years with who they were, and finally decided to accept themselves. I'm unbelievably proud of them -- it took true courage and strength to accept themselves for who they were instead of staying in the closet for fear of a nonexistent bogeyman.

We now come to matters of political importance. Those who pant after their passions like so many wild dogs want to be allowed to participate in their abominations.

Have you thrown out your mixed fabrics yet? And I sure hope you don't trim the edges of your beard!

Even more, the Bible says they will denounce those who try to prevent it.

The Bible got that half right -- I denounce bigotry, ignorance, injustice, and hatred anywhere I see it. I don't denounce the people who hold such bigoted positions, I respect all human beings. I only hope such individuals would open up their small minds and learn to accept others for who they are.

Worse yet, the Bible says that because they have repeatedly and consistently refused the call to mercy, God has abandoned them to their self-deceptions and lusts. They are worse than animals, for God's kindness has been withdrawn for as long as they do perpetually indulge themselves.

It is being demanded of Christians to certify wickedness as good. Even more, it is being demanded that Christians shut up and retreat to dark corners AS IF WE WERE SOMEHOW TO BLAME for the filth in the world. Ultimately, there are those who call for the murder of Christians who declare the mercy and love of God. Is this really the kind of attitude that will benefit society? It is not. It is destroying society and it will destroy society because in truth there IS right and wrong. The gay life style is wrong.

When have I called for anyone's murder? I simply want equality for my LGBTQ brothers and sisters.

The people who have been doing the harassing and mental murdering (see Jesus' words on murder) have been the fundamentalist homophobes.

Now hear this, God is not willing that this abomination continue.

I couldn't care less about empty threats from those who claim to speak for your god.

By the way, have you stopped eating shellfish yet?

Enjoy your wickedness while you may oh ye of fleshy perversion.

Have you burned your poly-cotton blends, yet?

Enjoy bashing Christians and enjoy using your twisted logic to justify your twisted ways.

Islam is coming, and your abominations are about to come to a screeching halt.

I see no qualitative difference between fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity. Both are small-minded systems run by small-minded people. I push for justice, and it matters not one iota to me which brand of ignorance I'm fighting.


Peace, Love, and Reason,

Haven

[99percentatheism]

[quote="[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 714#446714]Haven[/quote]

richardP
I am a Christian and believe that Biblical standards should be upheld, not diluted according to the whims of society and the fickle standards set by one generation of unbelievers or another.

If you want to uphold "Biblical standards," then that's your right. However, you have no right to force such standards on anyone else.

I wish you would teach atheists and LGBT's that lesson. We can't escape their demands even in our Churches.

Richardp

Gay -anything- is wrong and should be forbidden in law, in practice and in preaching the gospel.

How would you feel if I said: "Christian -anything- is wrong and should be forbidden in law, in practice, and in indoctrinating for atheism." Not very good, right? Keep in mind that is the exact way LGBTQ people feel when bigots spew their hateful and ignorant vitriol against them.

Being called bigots and hateful defines the atheists and LGBT's as bigoted and hateful.

Also, we don't live in a fascist state. The law is designed to protect the rights of minorities from the bigotries and tyrannies of the majority. You can practice your religion, but no one has the right to discriminate against others on the basis of religious beliefs.

Just secular reasons to discrimnate against Christians?

God demands adherence to His righteousness and nothing less. If men and women behave any other way they are in rebellion against the will of God as revealed in the Bible.

I don't believe in your god, so why should I care what ancient people who erroneously claimed to speak for him "demand?"

Why do you want religious people forced to vioalte their beliefs?

Besides, the same book in the Bible -- Leviticus -- that called gay male sex an "abomination" also called eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics "abominations" as well. I hope you don't like lobster or cotton-polyester blends.

You just REAFFIRMED that gay sex is an abomination "too."

That being said it should be noted that those who hold themselves apart from the gospel of Jesus Christ can be expected to do nothing less than to follow the dictates of their passions. It falls to those of us who know Christ to point the way to God's forgiveness and healing ways.

Those who call themselves Christians, deny the precepts of the Holy Bible, and yield their integrity to the call of the hedonistic society have fallen away. They are backslid and their lot is worse than if they had never believed at all. They are traitors to the gospel and unless they repent they too shall risk God's wrath. It is written that on the day a righteous man sins, all his righteousness will be forgotten.

Four of the strongest "Christian leaders" I knew in college are now out-and-proud gay men. They struggled for years with who they were, and finally decided to accept themselves. I'm unbelievably proud of them -- it took true courage and strength to accept themselves for who they were instead of staying in the closet for fear of a nonexistent bogeyman.

Proud of them? They shouldn't be "out and proud" they should be silent and humble. They also need to repent.

We now come to matters of political importance. Those who pant after their passions like so many wild dogs want to be allowed to participate in their abominations.

Have you thrown out your mixed fabrics yet? And I sure hope you don't trim the edges of your beard!

Proving yet again that gay sex is an abomination too. I'll keep repeating that as long as that bizaare tactic is used by you gay activists.

How about the fact, that in the NEW TESTAMENT gay sex is detestable too?

Even more, the Bible says they will denounce those who try to prevent it.

The Bible got that half right -- I denounce bigotry, ignorance, injustice, and hatred anywhere I see it.

Then tell that to the LGBT's invading and infecting our Churches with their - as you have defined - demands that we all celebrate their sins!

I don't denounce the people who hold such bigoted positions, I respect all human beings. I only hope such individuals would open up their small minds and learn to accept others for who they are.

Why? Why the need to force Christians to embrace corruption? YOU don't even want us wearing clothes of more than one fiber. So why do you want us to embrace sodomites? And unrepentant sodomites at that.

Worse yet, the Bible says that because they have repeatedly and consistently refused the call to mercy, God has abandoned them to their self-deceptions and lusts. They are worse than animals, for God's kindness has been withdrawn for as long as they do perpetually indulge themselves.

It is being demanded of Christians to certify wickedness as good. Even more, it is being demanded that Christians shut up and retreat to dark corners AS IF WE WERE SOMEHOW TO BLAME for the filth in the world. Ultimately, there are those who call for the murder of Christians who declare the mercy and love of God. Is this really the kind of attitude that will benefit society? It is not. It is destroying society and it will destroy society because in truth there IS right and wrong. The gay life style is wrong.

When have I called for anyone's murder? I simply want equality for my LGBTQ brothers and sisters.

Then start your own religion. Why force Christianity to accept YET AGAIN one more sinful unrepentant group???

The people who have been doing the harassing and mental murdering (see Jesus' words on murder) have been the fundamentalist homophobes.

That's an Alinsky propaganda tactic. It is a lie as well.

God is not willing that this abomination continue.

I couldn't care less about empty threats from those who claim to speak for your god.

Then stop harrassing us to be like pagans.

By the way, have you stopped eating shellfish yet?

Don't you guys harpn on NOT being judgmental? Why the hypocrisy?

Enjoy your wickedness while you may oh ye of fleshy perversion.[/color]

Have you burned your poly-cotton blends, yet?

Poly-cotton blends do not practice pederasty. Pederasty is an historic homosexual practice.

But again, YOU only prove that homosexuality is an abomination too.

If you tell a secular Judge at your trial that "They steal cars too . . . " you have just admitted to a crime. That's what you are representing LGBT's do.

Enjoy bashing Christians and enjoy using your twisted logic to justify your twisted ways.

Islam is coming, and your abominations are about to come to a screeching halt.

I see no qualitative difference between fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity.

You need to rent a TV and watch it for awhile. Or, better yet, go into a Muslim community and start demanding that they celebrate homosexuals and homosexuality.

I hope your insurance premiums are paid up.

You won't even need life insurance to scream at Christians. We're your number one target 24/7. And yet, there are many gay prostitutes working the streets of every major city. Sometimes right in front of a Church.

Both are small-minded systems run by small-minded people.

Christians seem to have built a heck of civilization in EUROPE and the USA!!!

Islam? Don't go there and preach your pro-sodomy demands. You will not be "tolerated" like you are by Christians.

I push for justice, and it matters not one iota to me which brand of ignorance I'm fighting.

Ignorance is believing that the digestive tract is a sex organ. That rubber penis's are the same as the real thing. THAT is ignorance.

Peace, Love, and Reason,

Haven

Yet you haven't presented anything of any of them.

[nyan-eleven]

[connermt]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

Gay marriage is an independent, personal, legal decision between individuals. The church should have no say in that at all what-so-ever.
Likewise, no one (gay or straight) should be able to sue a church because the church doesn't want to carry on with the wedding ceremony (has that ever successfully happened anyway?).

[Autodidact]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

Gay marriage is an independent, personal, legal decision between individuals. The church should have no say in that at all what-so-ever.
Likewise, no one (gay or straight) should be able to sue a church because the church doesn't want to carry on with the wedding ceremony (has that ever successfully happened anyway?).

No.

[connermt]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

Gay marriage is an independent, personal, legal decision between individuals. The church should have no say in that at all what-so-ever.
Likewise, no one (gay or straight) should be able to sue a church because the church doesn't want to carry on with the wedding ceremony (has that ever successfully happened anyway?).

No.

Then it appears some people are paranoid.
I've always wondered how believers can honestly think making something legal or illegal would save souls?

[99percentatheism]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

Gay marriage is an independent, personal, legal decision between individuals. The church should have no say in that at all what-so-ever.
Likewise, no one (gay or straight) should be able to sue a church because the church doesn't want to carry on with the wedding ceremony (has that ever successfully happened anyway?).

If it hasn't happened yet, it is most certainly on the way.

That is why Satan has produced the anti-Christian position that gay sex is the same as being born genetically from the Negroid race.

"Gay marriage is no different than a black person marrying a white person."

As IF the overwhelming mental desire to have anal or oral sex with a person of the same gender is comparable to being kidnapped and forced into slavery were one and the same thing.

You can almost smell the demonic tactic in the anti-Christian position of celebrating homosexual acts.

[99percentatheism]

I believe same sex marriage is not a church issue when it comes to the law. Christians who try to ban same sex marriage are wrong, and should be consistent with the separation of church and state. BTW... I am an evangelical Christian against forms of legalized discrimination.

Gay marriage is an independent, personal, legal decision between individuals. The church should have no say in that at all what-so-ever.
Likewise, no one (gay or straight) should be able to sue a church because the church doesn't want to carry on with the wedding ceremony (has that ever successfully happened anyway?).

No.

Then it appears some people are paranoid.
I've always wondered how believers can honestly think making something legal or illegal would save souls?

Paranoid? Really? Now any opposition to our children being indoctrinated into celebrating gay sex of their classmates and ADULTS . . . and of course being offered the homosexual experience as a "questioning youth . . . is now plied in just about every school in the western world.

Pederasty packaged as a civil rights action.

Paranoia? How about just being able to understand past history being repeated.

Looks like the Christians are the most sane among us.