Liberal Christians only believe some "fundamentalism?

[AlAyeti]

There are now political Christians wanting to "re-claim" Christianity from whatever the "Right" is, or has done to it. Claiming that their way of Christianity is more like what Jesus would want.

But many of these Liberal positions hold to funadamentalism on the poor, the needy and anti-war and violence, but oppose Biblical truth on many other issues.

Why do Liberal Christians deny the truths of the New Testament on marriage and children as defined by Jesus himself?

Liberals will teach about condom usage but decry the Biblical truth about abstaining from sex until marriage as something ignorant or intolerant?

Why are not Liberal Christians funding missionaries to go to Muslim and other countries to spread the Gospel exactly the way Jesus described and exactly the way it is presented in the Gospels?

How can Liberal Christians support a womans right to kill her unborn child and encourage a woman to go and do it, while at the same time, denying the same rights of choice on the matter be given equal recognition to the father of the child?

How and why can Liberal Christians call themselves Christians while only preaching and teaching some immutable Christian positions and not all?

[Scrotum]

My God is a god with the ability to create things perfect from the beginning. He doesn't need millions of years of death and suffering to create man.

How funny, a certain mr Kent Hovind said exactly the same, but i had not the opportune to ask him about this; Do you mean the perfect creation the Flood eradicated ? Causing all does death and suffering.. gosh, i almost quoted you.......

or.. ehm.. How did you mean now? *big smile and waiting for THIS answer*

[bernee51]

Not really, God gives people an escape to hide in if they choose to. Our english Bible is interpretated from the much more explicit hebrew and greek. So context is the key to interpretation. Skeptics prefer word X to mean whatever fits their agenda. Christians goal is to use context to find the meaning of word X even if that causes ones theology to be reconsidered. That's happened to me before.

The context it was written in will not change - the context in which it is read (and translated) is constantly changing. So will interpretations.

How many people wrote the Vedas scriptures and what is the proven length of time from start to finish?

I haven't a clue - and it is not important. I am not claiming or setting out to prove the Vedas as being written by a deity.

Do the Vedas scriptures flow like one smooth book or are there theological conflicts?

There are no theological conflicts in advaita vedanta. It is not theistic.

Were you there to witness this?

Were you there to witness the flood, the Exodus or the virgin birth?

This is just the opinions of atheist who first decided God was a man made concept then they had to come up with a model to support their view.

No - what you have stated is an opinion.

Do you deny that the earliest religons were animist? Show they weren't. And what about the feminine deities - leading up to the 'big fellow' - god almighty.

Show that this progression did not happen and you will have made your point.

Wrong, Zoroastrian writings were even after the New Testament was finished. "The Holy Book of Zoroastrianism is called the Zend Avesta. .... The Avesta was composed orally, and learned from memory for centuries until it was finally written down in Sassanian Times (during the era of the second Persian Empire, from 224 until 651)."

So what? No one is denying religions their oral heritage, are they?

Around 2700 B.C.E. the prophet Zoroaster sets down the inherent dualism of the Persian faith, and states that only Ahura Mazdah is worthy of worship. The end of the universe will result in good triumphing over evil.

Everyone is subject to wishful thinking especially evolutionists.

Excellent!

At least now you recognise faith includes wishful thinking.

'The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is
thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an
unproved theory - is it then a science or a faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special
creation - both are concepts which believers know to be true but
neither, up to the present, has been capable of proof.'
(L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to Darwin's The Origin of
Species, J.M. Dent & Sons Ltd, London, 1971, p.xi.

perhaps you hadn't heard...

Evolution is both a theory and a fact.

My proof is that scientists are unable to prove abiogenesis.

Scientists were once not able to prove the earth was not at the centre of the universe.

It's an atheist theory and the burden of proof is on them.

I see no need for proof of abiogeniesis. What has that to do with whether I believe in your god or not?

God of the gaps.

Sense it can't be proven the only logical conclusion is that life didn't arise without an outside force.

There you go - that same logical fallacy again.

You still haven't proven god exists.

[bernee51]

Doesn't count? My dear Magus, Post hoc ergo propter hoc is Latin for "after this, therefore because of this." Very appropriate and it does count.

Hey - Al - have you learned a new phrase?

Do you know what it means? How does it apply to you ad hominem?

[AlAyeti]

Fair enough Bernee. Your coworker Magus entered this newly learned jargon.

I am comparing it to Prophets and others that warn of impending doom.

Cause and effect.

Evolution to atheism to godless behavior to unrestrained lascivious licentiousness.

45-million abortions in America alone. Men demanding to marry men. MTV political activism.

Sodom rising "like the Phoenix."

Certainly arson is traced back to the origin of the cause of the destruction.

There is nothing false in the cause of godless behavior.

Like it has been said even on these baords; there is nothing new under the sun. The world is embracing once again errors they will not keep in mind.

[Scrotum]

Evolution to atheism to godless behavior to unrestrained lascivious licentiousness.

45-million abortions in America alone. Men demanding to marry men. MTV political activism.

Sodom rising "like the Phoenix."

Certainly arson is traced back to the origin of the cause of the destruction.

There is nothing false in the cause of godless behavior.

I like you AI, your funny, but now i will put you in a corner and demand an answer to this question which sorta combines your entire opinion about people: Tell me;

1. In what way is 45 million abortions in United States (i presume you meant US when saying America, which is a continent). a bad thing?

2. In what way is "Men demanding to marry men" a bad thing? Explain.

3. In what way is "godless behavior" a bad thing? Explain.



I hope you will answer these simple questions, as they are clearly part of your idealogy and beliefs, which forms your behaviour.

[bernee51]

Cause and effect.

Evolution to atheism to godless behavior to unrestrained lascivious licentiousness.

45-million abortions in America alone. Men demanding to marry men. MTV political activism. ....

If I am reading you correctly, you seem to have it, as we say in this coutry...arse about.

A Post Hoc is a fallacy with the following form:

1. A occurs before B.
2. Therefore A is the cause of B.

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that one event causes another simply because the proposed cause occurred before the proposed effect.

[Cathar1950]

Look on the right side of the page it marks the Sassanian period in the AD not BC.

I thought you were talking about Zoroastrianism which has a date

somewhere between the 18th and the 6th centuries BCE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism.
One of the reasons that it is unlikely that the Persians copied from the Jews is because the concepts are missing in the early Jewish writings and they appear after contact with the Persians.

The Christian faith is no way compatible with evolution. My God is a god with the ability to create things perfect from the beginning. He doesn't need millions of years of death and suffering to create man.

Only your Christian faith. There are many Christians that do see it as compatable.

“Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus’ earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god. Take away the meaning of his death. If
Jesus was not the redeemer that died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing.” G. Richard Bozarth, “The Meaning of Evolution”, American Atheist, 20 Sept. 1979, p. 30

I would agree this is why some Christians fear evolution. I would say that they may have a poor sallow view of Christianity and there might be something wrong with their theology.
Al wrote:

OK. But what liberals have done is to throw out every little thing that will not license sodomy and godless behavior. There is far more absolutes theologically speaking then excuses for what you liberals want to do do the lord of Glory. You rely on emotional relativism so arguing Biblical truth is not going to be easy.

You lack and understanding of relativism, liberalism and the bible.

Sola scriptura is something gleaned from the mouth of Christ Jesus. "It is written" denotes an absolute. Such as marriage and the deity of Christ.

Some times he said it is written and followed with But I say unto you. Besides they are the words put in Jesus mouth. You do not see the distinction .
AlAyeti wrote:

I have been so blunt in presenting facts that some people have asked me to tone it down.

I think blunt is not the word you want. Try obnoxious baligerent and arrogant.

WWJD?

Kick sand in your face?

A false Jesus was predicted. Liberal Democrats prove once again the Bible is fact-based. Traveling the wide road with so many other unrepentant people.

Many false Christs were predicted. That does not make liberal false or is it any way proof that the bible is "fact-based". It does show you compleat lack of understanding and the silly argument you present as facts and truth.

Are rectums and palates sex organs? The insane "used" think they were." Now they are afforded civil rights. Children are no longer being taught the truth.

No but they can be sex objects. Is kissing wrong?

And, and, and? Sexually licebtiousnees, lasciviousness and "liberalism."

I see your lumping again.

Liberalism = ungodly actions based on what liberals believe based on ungodliness.

Again you making up stuff and providing false definitions for you confused and shallow mind.

MagusYanam wrote:

AlAyeti wrote:

In every debate I have ever had against a modernists they look like the agendaists that thye are. And always after the pat ad hominem attack they run.

Doesn't explain your track record here. You're on probation because you don't debate civilly. And I haven't seen the modernist yet on this site who backed down from your bullying (I know I haven't).

I think most would agree with you Magus.

AlAyeti wrote:

Evolution is the religion of reincarnation as much as it is the religion of the supreme egotist. Who and what is on top of the evolution pyramid? Hmm, how convenient. No wonder that racism followed Darwins fairy tale.

Your arrogant ignorance know no limits.

[McCulloch]

1. In what way is 45 million abortions in United States (i presume you meant US when saying America, which is a continent). a bad thing?

To be perfectly accurate North America is a continent. South America is another continent. America is a word often used to refer to a country in North America which, due to the lack of forethought, missed out getting a proper name. No, that's not right. When they formed the USA, they really thought of each state as a separate nation-state and the USA as a kind of federation of these states. Gradually they lost that idea (faster in the north than in the south). By the time the south decided to test the idea that each of the states were independent, the North decided to prove to them that they were not. The North won the proof and the United States of America became a grammatically incorrect singular noun.

[Cathar1950]

45-million abortions in America alone.

Al, you should check your facts and explain them in context instead of just babeling something like it was true.

Of the estimated 45 million abortions worldwide annually, only 25 million are legal. At least 70,000 women die each year as a consequence of unsafe abortion, and millions more suffer severe health problems.

http://www.un.org/geninfo/faq/factsheets/FS6.HTM

National Right to Life reports that nearly 45 million abortions were performed in the United States between 1973, when the Supreme Court legalized the procedure, and the end of 2003.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialRepor ... 0118a.html

According to the UN's figures, out of about 185 million pregnancies [in the world] each year 75 million are unwanted, resulting in about 45 million abortions of which 20 million are performed in unsafe circumstances. At least 585,000 women die each year (equaling a jumbo jet crashing every 6 hours) from those pregnancies, through abortion or for lack of the basic requirements for safe delivery." (J. Guillebaude Contraception, your questions answered (3rd edit.) London: Churchill-Livingstone 1999)

If I can find the thread We need to talk about you veiws of Muslims and the Crusades. Also the Knights Templer were real as well as a tale. And the Cathars were real also and not Muslim. Where is that thread?

[AlAyeti]

If I am reading you correctly, you seem to have it, as we say in this coutry...arse about.

A Post Hoc is a fallacy with the following form:

1. A occurs before B.
2. Therefore A is the cause of B.

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that one event causes another simply because the proposed cause occurred before the proposed effect.

This is where I will trust you.

A Christian says that if we legalize the abortion pill for high school age girls then their will be an increase in sexual promiscuity and STD's. This has been proven as 100% accurate.

A occured before B and kids have AIDS and a whole lot of other promiscuity and sexually occuring problems. Just like Christians said would happen.

That is arse backwards?

If so I'll be wrong the third time in 1300+ posts.