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So lately the media and internet have been overwhelmed with recent legislations that are sadly passing into law that can be said to go against womens rights. Especially in Arizona where Jan Brewer is (CRAZY!) extreme on determining the sexual practices of women in the state. I will post laws passing only from the beginning of 2012 otherwise their would be to much to talk about. Mainly from Arizona.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/12/j ... M6Y.reddit
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer Signs Legislation Permitting Employers to Interrogate Female Employees About Contraception Use

Arizona Bans Funding to Planned Parenthood
PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill to cut off Planned Parenthood's access to taxpayer money funneled through the state for non-abortion services.
Arizona already bars use of public money for abortions except to save the life of the mother. But anti-abortion legislators and other supporters of the bill say the broader prohibition is needed to ensure no public money indirectly supports abortion services.
Planned Parenthood Arizona claims a funding ban would interrupt its preventive health care and family planning services for nearly 20,000 women served by the organization's clinics. The organization says it will consider a legal challenge.
The measure targeting funding for Planned Parenthood for non-abortion services was one of several approved by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature related to contentious reproductive health care issues this session.
PHOENIX (AP) – Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill to cut off Planned Parenthood's access to taxpayer money funneled through the state for non-abortion services.
Planned Parenthood Arizona claims a funding ban would interrupt its preventive health care and family planning services for nearly 20,000 women served by the organization's clinics. The organization says it will consider a legal challenge.


The measure targeting funding for Planned Parenthood for non-abortion services was one of several approved by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature related to contentious reproductive health care issues this session

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 ... 15715.html
Arizona Abortion Bill: Legislators Pass Three Bills, Including One That Redefines When Life Begins


Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.
The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.
The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.
The third bill requires that schools teach students that adoption and birth are the most acceptable outcomes for an unwanted pregnancy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/1 ... 44557.html
Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.
Arizona is a right to work state, which makes it all the scarier.

Jan Brewers reasoning behind these bands are on religious grounds, which can be read in the sites above.

In Virginia:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/vi ... wanted=all
Gov. Bob McDonnell demanded the revisions last week, and their acceptance on Tuesday all but assured the state’s adoption of the ultrasound requirement. The original bill set off protests from women’s groups and others. Some critics called it “state rape,� and the plan was mocked on television comedy shows.
In Alabama, the sponsor of a bill to strengthen an existing ultrasound requirement said on Monday that he would seek a revision softening the bill. The existing bill mandates that the screen must face the pregnant woman and requires use of the scanning method that provides the clearest image — which would mean vaginal ultrasounds in most cases.
As a result, the bills under active consideration in several states, including Pennsylvania and Mississippi, require detailed fetal images that would in practice require many patients to have vaginal ultrasounds.

Such a requirement has been in effect since early this month in Texas with little of the outcry seen in Virginia. Similar laws adopted in Oklahoma and North Carolina are now blocked by federal court order until their constitutionality is determined.


http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/03 ... tock-bill/
The bill as first proposed outlawed all abortions after 20 weeks under all circumstances. After negotiations with the Senate, the House passed a revised HB 954 that makes an exemption for “medically futile� pregnancies or those in which the woman’s life or health is threatened.

If this makes its seem like Rep. England and the rest of the representatives looked beyond their cows and pigs and recognized women as capable, full-thinking human beings, think again: HB 954 excludes a woman’s “emotional or mental condition,� which means women suffering from mental illness would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. It also ignores pregnant women who are suicidal and driven to inflict harm on themselves because of their unwanted pregnancy.
http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/04 ... -murdered/
House Bill 3517 [PDF], the so-called “embryo bill,� allows prosecutors to levy charges of assault or murder if an embryo is harmed or killed. The bill excludes consensual “medical or surgical procedures,� although it removes existing language that would specifically exempt “abortion.� Given Tennessee’s long history of fetal rights legislation, the bill raises some speculation as to whether the “embryo bill� is a step toward declaring “fetal personhood.�

The “embryo bill� expands on two previous laws. The first allowed a murder or assault charge for harm to a “viable� fetus, defined as one 32 weeks or older, which has been the precedent in Tennessee since 1989. The second, passed in 2011, removed the word “viable� to cover a fetus at any age.
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legis ... challenge/
The Texas law is more strict: It requires women to have a sonogram at least 24 hours ahead of an abortion, and the doctor to play the heartbeat aloud, describe the fetus, and show the woman the image, unless she chooses not to view it. Although the Texas law doesn’t specify what kind of ultrasound — belly or transvaginal — abortion providers say they almost always must use the transvaginal probe to pick up the heartbeat and describe the fetus at the early stage of pregnancy when most women seek abortions.
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http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/04/24/ ... t-pay.html
SC health plan would not pay for abortions involving rape, incest under new proposal
http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/04 ... in-danger/
On the final day to review general bills, the Mississippi Senate Public Health Committee passed HB 1390, which requires doctors performing abortions to be board-certified OB-GYNs with hospital admitting privileges. Although it sounds reasonable, HB 1390 is another affront to women’s reproductive rights when you factor in the already meager resources available to the women of Mississippi.
ITS ONLY BEEN 5 MONTHS! What the hell is going on? I know that the forums have been saturated lately with abortion threads but im going to make this a new one with all the above material for the use of Pro-Choicers and Pro-Lifers. I think every single one of these is going wayyyyyyy to far. Who here can argue the justification to keep this trend going? How far do you think it will go before we start going back even further in time when it comes to womens rights?

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nursebenjamin wrote:
East of Eden wrote:Speaking of Obama, here's an article where his former literary editor says he was born in Kenya:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timst ... -a-kenyan/

Why are all the real journalists overseas?
You're a birther? Thank you for providing an excellent example of emotional centers in the brain overriding areas that deal with reason and logic!
You've got the wrong guy, I'm not voting for Obama.

"Breitbart.com itself has always rejected the absurd cult of birtherism. In fact, this story is really the opposite of birtherism – Breitbart infers that in the past Obama encouraged people to think that he was born abroad in order to establish an identity as an authentic, exotic voice in the debate on racial politics.
Obama’s old literary agent has issued a terse statement to the effect that the wording was all her fault and she never consulted her client. If that’s true, she’s a bad agent. A different agent, quoted by Breitbart.com, disagrees. He told the website “that while ‘almost nobody’ wrote his or her own biography, the non-athletes in the booklet, whom ‘the agents deal[t] with on a daily basis,’ were ‘probably’ approached to approve the text as presented.�
If we accept that Obama didn’t provide the biography, it would seem highly unlikely that he didn’t get a chance to vet it. Accepting that he didn’t do that either, it’s incredibly strange that the literary agent approached by Breitbart.com does not remember Obama calling the agency to register a complaint and make a correction. My mother spent a lot of her childhood in Grenada. If my literary agent told people I was born in the Caribbean, I’d at least pick up the phone to set the record straight.
Look beyond the sordid details and the big story here is that this nugget wasn’t part of the wider discussion had back in 2008 about Obama's background and credentials. And why not? The documents were easy to find – the one that showed that “born in Kenya� was still being used in 2007 was on the Internet."

At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?
I vote for neither, the whole birther issue which this is a part of is frankly just plain stupid. His records have been shown to the public, before he could even run for the presidency he had to go through a vetting process to prove he qualified to run for the office. Regardless of where he was born he was born by an american citizen which means he is also an american citizen. Why is it the issue of McCains birthplace never came up during the last race? He was born in Panama which if you follow the logic of your birther buddies would make him ineligible to hold the office of the president.
I'm sure Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright will vote for him also.
Wow so since you think it is ok to bring up a persons past and even vague associations then if you vote for Romney does that mean you are in favor of bullying and cutting the hair of against their wishes people that might be different than you?

Personally I think its silly to bring up the actions of something someone did many years ago but in your continuing attempts to smear your president you are doing just that.

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Wyvern wrote:
At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?
I vote for neither, the whole birther issue which this is a part of is frankly just plain stupid. His records have been shown to the public, before he could even run for the presidency he had to go through a vetting process to prove he qualified to run for the office. Regardless of where he was born he was born by an american citizen which means he is also an american citizen. Why is it the issue of McCains birthplace never came up during the last race? He was born in Panama which if you follow the logic of your birther buddies would make him ineligible to hold the office of the president.
So why was this 'born in Kenya' thing used up to 2007, I assume with Obama's knowledge? Did anyone ever mistakenly say Romney was born in Kenya?
Wow so since you think it is ok to bring up a persons past and even vague associations then if you vote for Romney does that mean you are in favor of bullying and cutting the hair of against their wishes people that might be different than you?
Quite a difference between terrorism and normal male school-age behavior. I happen to think Obama's failures since 2009 are a much bigger issue than what Romney did when he was 16. It shows Obama's desperation.
Personally I think its silly to bring up the actions of something someone did many years ago but in your continuing attempts to smear your president you are doing just that.
So if Romney had past associations with abortion clinic bombers it would be a non-issue, huh? :confused2:
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So why was this 'born in Kenya' thing used up to 2007, I assume with Obama's knowledge? Did anyone ever mistakenly say Romney was born in Kenya?
No the more important question is why didn't anyone say McCain was Panamanian?
Wow so since you think it is ok to bring up a persons past and even vague associations then if you vote for Romney does that mean you are in favor of bullying and cutting the hair of against their wishes people that might be different than you?
Quite a difference between terrorism and normal male school-age behavior. I happen to think Obama's failures since 2009 are a much bigger issue than what Romney did when he was 16. It shows Obama's desperation.
You think holding someone down and cutting off their hair is normal behavior? Maybe if people like you would stop bringing up silly issues such as Ayers then the democrats wouldn't see a need to come up with this high school story. You keep using this word desperation, I don't think it means what you think it does. :D
Personally I think its silly to bring up the actions of something someone did many years ago but in your continuing attempts to smear your president you are doing just that.
So if Romney had past associations with abortion clinic bombers it would be a non-issue, huh?
So you think Romneys high school story should be an issue then is what you are saying. You can't have it both ways no matter how much you might want it to be so.

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Wyvern wrote:
So why was this 'born in Kenya' thing used up to 2007, I assume with Obama's knowledge? Did anyone ever mistakenly say Romney was born in Kenya?
No the more important question is why didn't anyone say McCain was Panamanian?
This is why:

“[8 U.S.C. 1403](a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.�

U.S. Code
You think holding someone down and cutting off their hair is normal behavior?
For a 16 year old boy, yes. If they guy's hair was in violation of the school code, he needed a haircut.
Maybe if people like you would stop bringing up silly issues such as Ayers
Being a terrorist, or being friends with one, isn't a silly issue. It says a lot about Obama's character, or lack of.
So you think Romneys high school story should be an issue then is what you are saying.
No, I'm not, and I doubt if this desperation move is getting Barry any votes.
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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East of Eden wrote:
nursebenjamin wrote:
East of Eden wrote:Speaking of Obama, here's an article where his former literary editor says he was born in Kenya:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timst ... -a-kenyan/

Why are all the real journalists overseas?
You're a birther? Thank you for providing an excellent example of emotional centers in the brain overriding areas that deal with reason and logic!
You've got the wrong guy, I'm not voting for Obama.

"Breitbart.com itself has always rejected the absurd cult of birtherism. In fact, this story is really the opposite of birtherism – Breitbart infers that in the past Obama encouraged people to think that he was born abroad in order to establish an identity as an authentic, exotic voice in the debate on racial politics.
Obama’s old literary agent has issued a terse statement to the effect that the wording was all her fault and she never consulted her client. If that’s true, she’s a bad agent. A different agent, quoted by Breitbart.com, disagrees. He told the website “that while ‘almost nobody’ wrote his or her own biography, the non-athletes in the booklet, whom ‘the agents deal[t] with on a daily basis,’ were ‘probably’ approached to approve the text as presented.�
If we accept that Obama didn’t provide the biography, it would seem highly unlikely that he didn’t get a chance to vet it. Accepting that he didn’t do that either, it’s incredibly strange that the literary agent approached by Breitbart.com does not remember Obama calling the agency to register a complaint and make a correction. My mother spent a lot of her childhood in Grenada. If my literary agent told people I was born in the Caribbean, I’d at least pick up the phone to set the record straight.
Look beyond the sordid details and the big story here is that this nugget wasn’t part of the wider discussion had back in 2008 about Obama's background and credentials. And why not? The documents were easy to find – the one that showed that “born in Kenya� was still being used in 2007 was on the Internet."

At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?
Obama's mother was a US citizen who lived in the US and maintained connections with the US, which makes the entire story about Kenya redundant. Obama could be born on the moon and still be a US citizen.

It's done. He is the President. Get over it.

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100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
nursebenjamin wrote:
East of Eden wrote:Speaking of Obama, here's an article where his former literary editor says he was born in Kenya:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timst ... -a-kenyan/

Why are all the real journalists overseas?
You're a birther? Thank you for providing an excellent example of emotional centers in the brain overriding areas that deal with reason and logic!
You've got the wrong guy, I'm not voting for Obama.

"Breitbart.com itself has always rejected the absurd cult of birtherism. In fact, this story is really the opposite of birtherism – Breitbart infers that in the past Obama encouraged people to think that he was born abroad in order to establish an identity as an authentic, exotic voice in the debate on racial politics.
Obama’s old literary agent has issued a terse statement to the effect that the wording was all her fault and she never consulted her client. If that’s true, she’s a bad agent. A different agent, quoted by Breitbart.com, disagrees. He told the website “that while ‘almost nobody’ wrote his or her own biography, the non-athletes in the booklet, whom ‘the agents deal[t] with on a daily basis,’ were ‘probably’ approached to approve the text as presented.�
If we accept that Obama didn’t provide the biography, it would seem highly unlikely that he didn’t get a chance to vet it. Accepting that he didn’t do that either, it’s incredibly strange that the literary agent approached by Breitbart.com does not remember Obama calling the agency to register a complaint and make a correction. My mother spent a lot of her childhood in Grenada. If my literary agent told people I was born in the Caribbean, I’d at least pick up the phone to set the record straight.
Look beyond the sordid details and the big story here is that this nugget wasn’t part of the wider discussion had back in 2008 about Obama's background and credentials. And why not? The documents were easy to find – the one that showed that “born in Kenya� was still being used in 2007 was on the Internet."

At the very least, Obama was incredibly stupid or he lied about this for political purposes. What do you pick?
Obama's mother was a US citizen who lived in the US and maintained connections with the US, which makes the entire story about Kenya redundant. Obama could be born on the moon and still be a US citizen.
Not saying he isn't, but the point of the article is did he lie about that up until 2007 for political considerations?
It's done. He is the President. Get over it.
Not for long, I hope. :whistle:
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Is there any way that we can get back to the topic of the thread: the Republican attempts to regulate vaginas, roll back equal pay laws, and slash funding for programs that predominantly help women and children?

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East of Eden wrote:
Not saying he isn't, but the point of the article is did he lie about that up until 2007 for political considerations?
:-k

Maybe because he wasn't born in Kenya? Can you give your President just a tiny chance that he is not lying? :)
nursebenjamin wrote: Is there any way that we can get back to the topic of the thread: the Republican attempts to regulate vaginas, roll back equal pay laws, and slash funding for programs that predominantly help women and children?
Okay, let's try.
Birthers movement wants to control not just vaginal future, but also vaginal history.
"Who controls the past, controls the future"

I find it ironic that neo-conservatives are riding high the freedom horse when they propose to move the country all the way to the right, it is where fascism is.

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100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
Not saying he isn't, but the point of the article is did he lie about that up until 2007 for political considerations?
:-k

Maybe because he wasn't born in Kenya? Can you give your President just a tiny chance that he is not lying? :)
Why did he tolerate that error up until 2007?
Okay, let's try.
Birthers movement wants to control not just vaginal future, but also vaginal history.
"Who controls the past, controls the future"

I find it ironic that neo-conservatives are riding high the freedom horse when they propose to move the country all the way to the right, it is where fascism is.
The OP contention is false, there is no war on women, unless you count how the Kennedys and John Edwards treat women. I predict there will be a good number of new, conservative women elected to Congress this year. The views you describe were our Founders, not fascist. Here are a few from Thomas Jefferson:

"I sincerely believe....that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it."

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."

Kind of takes away the whole point of the Democratic Party, doesn't it? They seem to be about nothing but class warfare, race, and sex.

The Founders would have nothing but contempt for Obama and his misguided fanboys.
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