1. Christianity is based on blind faith. Christianity is not based on blind faith, but rather faith based on evidence. Blind faith is superstition. Christianity is overwhelmingly supported by reason, evidence, and scientific inquiry. http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-tr ... christians.
2. We get to heaven based on how good we are here on earth. This is not true we are saved by grace through faith it is not of ourselves; it is the gift of God.
3. Once we become a Christian, being saved by God’s gift of grace, it does not matter what we do
This is not true. God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, so shall he reap.
4. There are many ways to heaven, many paths to God. Because man is separated from God by his sin, the penalty for our sin had to be paid somehow for justice to be done. Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins. Thus Christ is thus the only name under heaven by which man may be saved (Acts 4:12). http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-tr ... s-the-same.
5. It doesn’t matter what you believe as long as you are sincere. This is a nice idea, but does not hold up to logic. Christianity is so radically different from other belief systems that if Christianity is true, the others are false. One can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. Sincere belief in a cult, in a false religion, in atheism, or in the tooth fairy do not get one to heaven.
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6. The New Testament was written long after the events took place and are thus subject to legends being inserted into the text. The New Testament was written entirely by eye witnesses to the life of Christ or by interviewers of eyewitnesses. Many of the books were written within 25 or so years of Christ’s death, and many scholars—both liberal and conservative—are moving toward the view that all of the books of the New Testament were written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. The one book for which some doubt remains is Revelation. But recent scholarship holds that even this book was written prior to 70 AD. This is the view that liberal scholar John A. T. Robinson presents in his book Redating the New Testament. This is also the view that conservative scholar Kenneth Gentry presents in his book Before Jerusalem Fell. So there was not enough time for the stories to have been developed into legend. Further, as professor of Medieval and Renaissance English, C. S. Lewis said, “Another point is that on that view you would have to regard the accounts of the Man [Jesus] as being legends. Now, as a literary historian, I am perfectly convinced that whatever else the Gospels are they are not legends. I have read a great deal of legend and I am quite clear that they are not the same sort of thing.� (quote from Lewis’ “God in the Dock.�)
7. The Bible has been changed or is otherwise not true to the original manuscripts. The original manuscripts—that is, the actual pieces of parchment or papyrus upon which St. Paul and others wrote the Bible—are no longer extant. But, especially as regards to the New Testament there has been an unbroken chain of manuscripts from the originals. There are thousands of ancient manuscripts extant, including ones from the first and second centuries. Scholars have been able to correlate the manuscripts to know that the Bible we have today is faithful to the originals. See http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-truth/maps. A good book on this issue is The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? by F. F. Bruce. Regarding the Old Testament, the Dead Sea Scrolls, first discovered in 1947 were from the time of Christ and even to the 2nd century BC. These manuscripts predate the previously oldest known manuscripts by a thousand years. Comparisons of these texts with the others already in existence showed that they were essentially identical. This information confirms how carefully the texts were copied over the centuries and has given scholars tremendous confidence in the accuracy of the Old Testament we have today.
Misconceptions about Christianity
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Re: The Lion of the tribe of Judah
Post #11Burninglight wrote:A joke? Well, if it is a joke, they say many a true word is spoken in jest. BTW, calling Jesus a false prophet flies in the face of Islam not just Christianity. It is also throwing insult upon injury to God and God's beloved son. Satan attacks Jesus more than any other prophet that ever lived. Even in the secular realm. If one wants to share about Islam no problem.Suluby wrote:LOL So says Christian scripture. And you will, apparently, allow no one to hold a different opinion.Burninglight wrote: Rev. 5: 1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?� 3And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, 4and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.�
Even Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. That is not virgin as in young woman. It is a miracle birth that is impossible without God's intervention. Jesus certainly qualifies as the the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Christianity and Islam make up most of the world's population and they know it. The Jews reject their King and Lord. He has become the chief corner stone. Isaiah 53 makes it clear who Jesus is. The disciples of Jesus who were also Jews knew who He was. Why would they risk their lives to preach a tale? Look at the Miracles Jesus did. He healed the lame forgave sin, raised the dead, turned water to wine and rose from the dead. If you cannot believe when you have all this hin sight, you will not believe even if Moses came back from the dead and told you listen to Jesus. Yeshua is King of the Jews.
He is my King. Do you know Him?
So tell me, when was Jesus anointed as the king? Who did the anointing? How was it done?
Jesus worked miracles, you say, and this is proof that he is who you say he is. But the Tanakh says different .....
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul" (Deuteronomy 13:1-3).
Jesus leads Jews away from the Torah. Therefore, Jesus is a false prophet who works miracles to take Jews out of our covenantal relationship with G-d.
And once again ..... quoting the NT to Jews won't help bolster your position.
And trying to convince me that everything I believe is wrong by telling me that even Muslims believe Jesus was born of a virgin .....after watching you try to make garbage out of Muslims beliefs, is ..... well, a joke! .
Any religion can be taught but not Jesus Christ the son of the living God. The Jews will one day look on whom they have pierced. Jesus is coming back. There are many Jews that recognized that Jesus is the Messiah. Those that reject Him will get an anti Christ deception. They will think he is the messiah. He will be able to do lying signs and wonders. Daniel speaks about the abomination of desolation. The anti Christ will claim to be the Messiah and resume the daily sacrifices until he sets up the abomination of desolation; that is when the Jews will Know that Jesus is Lord of Lords
Jesus said, He didn't come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill and that He did. He is our Savior, He is our rest, He is our hope of glory. He is the Rose of Sharon; Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace, LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the Beginning and the End. The I AM.
The Jews once said let His blood be on us and our children. They took the blame for an innocent man's death. But not just any innocent man. The word of God in human form
Oy!
Why, with some people, does it ALWAYS get down to the point of them pointing a finger(cyber or real life) at a Jew who stands firm as a Jew and calling us Christ killers!
Really now ..... you've (the generic you) had the Crusades, you've had the Inquisitions, you've created the ghetto, you've organized pogroms, you've expelled us entirely from countries, you've kept us out of colleges and hotels and neighborhoods.
When will your blood lust be satisfied? When is enough punishment enough?
When will you realize that everything that happened to your god is just what HE wanted to happen???
Where would your precious salvation be if Jesus had lived to a ripe old age, and with Mary Magdalene raised a houseful of kids??
As some wag once said, "You should thank us!!"
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Re: The Lion of the tribe of Judah
Post #12I am thankful for the Jews, and I have nothing against them. If push came to shoved, I would have been one of them that risked his life to save one Jewish person during their great persecution.Suluby wrote:Burninglight wrote:A joke? Well, if it is a joke, they say many a true word is spoken in jest. BTW, calling Jesus a false prophet flies in the face of Islam not just Christianity. It is also throwing insult upon injury to God and God's beloved son. Satan attacks Jesus more than any other prophet that ever lived. Even in the secular realm. If one wants to share about Islam no problem.Suluby wrote:LOL So says Christian scripture. And you will, apparently, allow no one to hold a different opinion.Burninglight wrote: Rev. 5: 1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?� 3And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, 4and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.�
Even Muslims believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. That is not virgin as in young woman. It is a miracle birth that is impossible without God's intervention. Jesus certainly qualifies as the the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Christianity and Islam make up most of the world's population and they know it. The Jews reject their King and Lord. He has become the chief corner stone. Isaiah 53 makes it clear who Jesus is. The disciples of Jesus who were also Jews knew who He was. Why would they risk their lives to preach a tale? Look at the Miracles Jesus did. He healed the lame forgave sin, raised the dead, turned water to wine and rose from the dead. If you cannot believe when you have all this hin sight, you will not believe even if Moses came back from the dead and told you listen to Jesus. Yeshua is King of the Jews.
He is my King. Do you know Him?
So tell me, when was Jesus anointed as the king? Who did the anointing? How was it done?
Jesus worked miracles, you say, and this is proof that he is who you say he is. But the Tanakh says different .....
"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul" (Deuteronomy 13:1-3).
Jesus leads Jews away from the Torah. Therefore, Jesus is a false prophet who works miracles to take Jews out of our covenantal relationship with G-d.
And once again ..... quoting the NT to Jews won't help bolster your position.
And trying to convince me that everything I believe is wrong by telling me that even Muslims believe Jesus was born of a virgin .....after watching you try to make garbage out of Muslims beliefs, is ..... well, a joke! .
Any religion can be taught but not Jesus Christ the son of the living God. The Jews will one day look on whom they have pierced. Jesus is coming back. There are many Jews that recognized that Jesus is the Messiah. Those that reject Him will get an anti Christ deception. They will think he is the messiah. He will be able to do lying signs and wonders. Daniel speaks about the abomination of desolation. The anti Christ will claim to be the Messiah and resume the daily sacrifices until he sets up the abomination of desolation; that is when the Jews will Know that Jesus is Lord of Lords
Jesus said, He didn't come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill and that He did. He is our Savior, He is our rest, He is our hope of glory. He is the Rose of Sharon; Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace, LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the Beginning and the End. The I AM.
The Jews once said let His blood be on us and our children. They took the blame for an innocent man's death. But not just any innocent man. The word of God in human form
Oy!
Why, with some people, does it ALWAYS get down to the point of them pointing a finger(cyber or real life) at a Jew who stands firm as a Jew and calling us Christ killers!
Really now ..... you've (the generic you) had the Crusades, you've had the Inquisitions, you've created the ghetto, you've organized pogroms, you've expelled us entirely from countries, you've kept us out of colleges and hotels and neighborhoods.
When will your blood lust be satisfied? When is enough punishment enough?
When will you realize that everything that happened to your god is just what HE wanted to happen???
Where would your precious salvation be if Jesus had lived to a ripe old age, and with Mary Magdalene raised a houseful of kids??
As some wag once said, "You should thank us!!"
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The Crusades is one of the misconceptions of Christianity. They were Catholics. I was born and raise Catholic. I am a product of my past, but I am not its prisoner. The Crusades had nothing to do with true Biblical Christianity. It is a historical fact that the Jews hated Jesus' message and wanted Him dead. They didn't actually do it, but the Romans did what they asked for. Do you deny this?
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Post #13Oh, that's so interesting. Could you share with us what the evidence is that God made a virgin pregnant, was born as a little boy, and after death came to to live forever, and that if I believe all this I can go to heaven and live happily after I die?1. Christianity is based on blind faith. Christianity is not based on blind faith, but rather faith based on evidence. Blind faith is superstition. Christianity is overwhelmingly supported by reason, evidence, and scientific inquiry. http://www.faithfacts.org/search-for-tr ... christians.
Really? Which non-Christian scholars believe this? It is certainly not the dominant view, by any means.6. The New Testament was written long after the events took place and are thus subject to legends being inserted into the text. The New Testament was written entirely by eye witnesses to the life of Christ or by interviewers of eyewitnesses. Many of the books were written within 25 or so years of Christ’s death, and many scholars—both liberal and conservative—are moving toward the view that all of the books of the New Testament were written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD.
. This doesn't even make sense. If you don't have the originals, how on earth do you know if what you have is anything like them?7. The Bible has been changed or is otherwise not true to the original manuscripts. The original manuscripts—that is, the actual pieces of parchment or papyrus upon which St. Paul and others wrote the Bible—are no longer extant. But, especially as regards to the New Testament there has been an unbroken chain of manuscripts from the originals
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Post #14http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religio ... ristianity.
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There were two primary evidences which the apostles appealed to over and over again to establish the Deity and Messiahship of the Lord Jesus Christ. One was the fact of the resurrection and the other was the Old Testament prophecies which were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ.[/quote]
You haven't established the fact of the resurrection, and Jesus fulfilled approximately zero OT prophecies. In fact, by claiming to exist, Jesus makes the entire Tanakh a lie.
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There were two primary evidences which the apostles appealed to over and over again to establish the Deity and Messiahship of the Lord Jesus Christ. One was the fact of the resurrection and the other was the Old Testament prophecies which were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ.[/quote]
You haven't established the fact of the resurrection, and Jesus fulfilled approximately zero OT prophecies. In fact, by claiming to exist, Jesus makes the entire Tanakh a lie.
He was born to a woman! That's a shocker. Because most people are born to men.Below is a listing of the prophecies written in the Old Testament and given to the Jewish nation so that they might be able to recognize their Messiah. And yet they still don't believe, but here is what you asked for in part:
I. THE ACTUAL PROPHECIES
A. Concerning His Birth
1. Born of the seed of woman (Genesis 3:15; Galatians 4:4; Matthew 1:20)
2. Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18, 24, 25)
They didn't call Him Immanuel. FAIL.Therefore the Lord himself will give you[a] a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and[c] will call him Immanuel
Assume what you're trying to prove much?3. Son of God (Psalm 2:7; Matthew 3:17)
Wow, a Jew born to a woman! That's rare!4. Seed of Abraham (Genesis 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16) Here it is determined that the Messiah would be a Jewish descendant.
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Post #15Oh, True Biblical Christianity. And who is in charge of deciding which genocidal belief system is True Biblical Christianity?The Crusades is one of the misconceptions of Christianity. They were Catholics. I was born and raise Catholic. I am a product of my past, but I am not its prisoner. The Crusades had nothing to do with true Biblical Christianity.
I certainly do. It's not even a historical fact that there ever was such a person. It appears that there was a guy whom the Romans executed, but we don't even know that, let alone that other Jews had a thing to do with it.It is a historical fact that the Jews hated Jesus' message and wanted Him dead. They didn't actually do it, but the Romans did what they asked for. Do you deny this?
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Post #16I hesitate to jump in here, but I think I will, just to address this point.Burninglight wrote: It is a historical fact that the Jews hated Jesus' message and wanted Him dead. They didn't actually do it, but the Romans did what they asked for. Do you deny this?
Yes, I would deny that. "The Jews" of Jesus's day "hated" neither Jesus nor his message. They were, by and large, indifferent to him and it, those who had heard of him at all. Messiah-claimants, healers and wonderworkers were thick on the ground in Jesus's day, and he was just one more. I doubt very much that any significant number of Jews outside of the city of Jerusalem even knew who Jesus was.
Even today, many Christians seem to think that we Jews spend a lot of time and energy thinking about Jesus, wondering if he really was the Messiah, if we made a mistake, all that sort of thing. Hate to pop anyone's bubble, but Jews think about Jesus about as often as we think about the Buddha. He wasn't the Messiah, and that's about as far as we go, or need to go. Sorry, folks; we just don't care, and we don't have to.
If you want an excellent historical analysis of this whole issue, I recommend Why The Jews Rejected Jesus by David Klinghoffer. First book dealing directly with that question, written by a Jew, since the Middle Ages. An excellent resource.
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Post #17Okay this is true , but it was the religious leaders of Jesus' time that hated his message and felt threatened by it. They were jealous. I don't believe that Jews for the most part think about Jesus like they see Budda. Budda is not threat to Jews Christians or Muslims. But Jesus is a rock of offense to all who reject His lordship. Kiss the son lest you perish from the way when His wrath is kindle but a little:cnorman18 wrote:I hesitate to jump in here, but I think I will, just to address this point.Burninglight wrote: It is a historical fact that the Jews hated Jesus' message and wanted Him dead. They didn't actually do it, but the Romans did what they asked for. Do you deny this?
Yes, I would deny that. "The Jews" of Jesus's day "hated" neither Jesus nor his message. They were, by and large, indifferent to him and it, those who had heard of him at all. Messiah-claimants, healers and wonderworkers were thick on the ground in Jesus's day, and he was just one more. I doubt very much that any significant number of Jews outside of the city of Jerusalem even knew who Jesus was.
Even today, many Christians seem to think that we Jews spend a lot of time and energy thinking about Jesus, wondering if he really was the Messiah, if we made a mistake, all that sort of thing. Hate to pop anyone's bubble, but Jews think about Jesus about as often as we think about the Buddha. He wasn't the Messiah, and that's about as far as we go, or need to go. Sorry, folks; we just don't care, and we don't have to.
If you want an excellent historical analysis of this whole issue, I recommend Why The Jews Rejected Jesus by David Klinghoffer. First book dealing directly with that question, written by a Jew, since the Middle Ages. An excellent resource.
Ps. 2 Why do the nations rage[a]
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us burst their bonds apart
and cast away their cords from us.�
4 He who sits in the heavens laughs;
the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.�
7 I will tell of the decree:
The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you.
8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
and the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.�
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise;
be warned, O rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son,
lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath is quickly kindled.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah:
Gen. 49 “Judah, your brothers shall praise you;
your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
your father's sons shall bow down before you.
9 Judah is a lion's cub;
from the prey, my son, you have gone up.
He stooped down; he crouched as a lion
and as a lioness; who dares rouse him?
10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,
until tribute comes to him;[a]
and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.
11 Binding his foal to the vine
and his donkey's colt to the choice vine,
he has washed his garments in wine
and his vesture in the blood of grapes.
12 His eyes are darker than wine,
and his teeth whiter than milk.
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Post #18I hesitate to jump in here, but I think I will, just to address this point.
Yes, I would deny that. "The Jews" of Jesus's day "hated" neither Jesus nor his message. They were, by and large, indifferent to him and it, those who had heard of him at all. Messiah-claimants, healers and wonderworkers were thick on the ground in Jesus's day, and he was just one more. I doubt very much that any significant number of Jews outside of the city of Jerusalem even knew who Jesus was.
Even today, many Christians seem to think that we Jews spend a lot of time and energy thinking about Jesus, wondering if he really was the Messiah, if we made a mistake, all that sort of thing. Hate to pop anyone's bubble, but Jews think about Jesus about as often as we think about the Buddha. He wasn't the Messiah, and that's about as far as we go, or need to go. Sorry, folks; we just don't care, and we don't have to.
If you want an excellent historical analysis of this whole issue, I recommend Why The Jews Rejected Jesus by David Klinghoffer. First book dealing directly with that question, written by a Jew, since the Middle Ages. An excellent resource.
Really? What were their names, and how do you know their views on Jesus, assuming there ever was any such person?Okay this is true , but it was the religious leaders of Jesus' time that hated his message and felt threatened by it. They were jealous.
Jews don't think much about Jesus. They think about Christians, because ever since they came into existence, they have slaughtered us mercilessly, and that bothers us.I don't believe that Jews for the most part think about Jesus like they see Budda. Budda is not threat to Jews Christians or Muslims. But Jesus is a rock of offense to all who reject His lordship. Kiss the son lest you perish from the way when His wrath is kindle but a little:
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Re: The Lion of the tribe of Judah
Post #19Nah. The "religious leaders" of the time feared the PEOPLE. They were incredibly corrupt and were collaborating with the Roman conquerors for personal power and gain, and everybody knew it. Same goes for the Herods; remember John the Baptist?Burninglight wrote:Okay this is true , but it was the religious leaders of Jesus' time that hated his message and felt threatened by it. They were jealous.
Jesus was probably executed for stirring up trouble for ALL of them, the Romans, the phony Kings, and the Temple cult, who were all in bed together on the backs of the common people. In a few years, the hereditary Temple priesthood and the Judaism that was dominated by it would be extinct, and the Pharaisaic Judaism of Jesus's day, with which he was largely sympathetic if not an actual part, would be all that was left. Torah study, focused on ethics, justice, and liberty, and prayer, all centered in the local community. Temple, bye-bye. Don't need it any more. Don't need a Savior, either.
"Rock of offense"? The only offense I see is people presuming to tell Jews how they think and feel, and implicitly telling us how to read a book that was produced by OUR people and OUR beliefs, and not yours nor anyone else's. You don't get to dictate the proper beliefs of Jews, much less their thoughts; and your opinions matter about as much as the Buddha's.I don't believe that Jews for the most part think about Jesus like they see Budda. Budda is not threat to Jews Christians or Muslims. But Jesus is a rock of offense to all who reject His lordship.
Whatshisname isn't a "threat" to the Jews. We've done just fine without so much as mentioning him for two thousand years, thanks.
Sorry, this isn't worth my time. Believe what you like; it has absolutely nothing to do with me or my people, and I have no interest in it.
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Post #20Jesus was sent to the Jews by God. He came unto His own, but His own received Him not, but as many as received Him to them gave he the power to become the sons of God. I am a child of God, and I have every right, for I am a grafted in olive branch.cnorman18 wrote:Nah. The "religious leaders" of the time feared the PEOPLE. They were incredibly corrupt and were collaborating with the Roman conquerors for personal power and gain, and everybody knew it. Same goes for the Herods; remember John the Baptist?Burninglight wrote:Okay this is true , but it was the religious leaders of Jesus' time that hated his message and felt threatened by it. They were jealous.
Jesus was probably executed for stirring up trouble for ALL of them, the Romans, the phony Kings, and the Temple cult, who were all in bed together on the backs of the common people. In a few years, the hereditary Temple priesthood and the Judaism that was dominated by it would be extinct, and the Pharaisaic Judaism of Jesus's day, with which he was largely sympathetic if not an actual part, would be all that was left. Torah study, focused on ethics, justice, and liberty, and prayer, all centered in the local community. Temple, bye-bye. Don't need it any more. Don't need a Savior, either."Rock of offense"? The only offense I see is people presuming to tell Jews how they think and feel, and implicitly telling us how to read a book that was produced by OUR people and OUR beliefs, and not yours nor anyone else's. You don't get to dictate the proper beliefs of Jews, much less their thoughts; and your opinions matter about as much as the Buddha's.I don't believe that Jews for the most part think about Jesus like they see Budda. Budda is not threat to Jews Christians or Muslims. But Jesus is a rock of offense to all who reject His lordship.
Whatshisname isn't a "threat" to the Jews. We've done just fine without so much as mentioning him for two thousand years, thanks.
Sorry, this isn't worth my time. Believe what you like; it has absolutely nothing to do with me or my people, and I have no interest in it.
I believe Paul who said, "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly by inwardly. God has adopted me. The mantel has been passed on to the gentiles who received the King and Lord the Jews rejected. When the Jews rejected Jesus, they opened to door for us to get in with God, the true God of Abraham who is, BTW, my creator and God too. FYI, you don't have the monopoly of the things of God.
If the gospel wasn't an offense, or if you saw Jesus as no more important than Budda, you wouldn't be responding to my posts, it is to your shame. Muslims and Christians would say the same on your view of Jesus, because you see him as not even a true prophet. Jesus will receiver the reward of His suffering.