Why live?

[alive]

Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born? Just wake up in heaven.. We make no sense. A true god that most are wanting that created everything in the universe would not need living specks of like on a grain of sand in the universe...Why even make anything outside of heaven... I don't think believers have put a real effort on if there realy was a god what the heck would even bother with us...Would you?

For a second take god out of existance...There are countless ways life could of happen...Now add god back in and you were god... I have a universe with maybe 100's of millions of planets...My only thing Im worried about is getting humans to heaven?

I hope Im still alive when everyone wakes up..

[The Tongue]

Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born? Just wake up in heaven.. We make no sense. A true god that most are wanting that created everything in the universe would not need living specks of like on a grain of sand in the universe...Why even make anything outside of heaven... I don't think believers have put a real effort on if there realy was a god what the heck would even bother with us...Would you?

For a second take god out of existance...There are countless ways life could of happen...Now add god back in and you were god... I have a universe with maybe 100's of millions of planets...My only thing Im worried about is getting humans to heaven?

I hope Im still alive when everyone wakes up..

Well, I intend to answer this question explicity: Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born?

So, as I have been led to understand events of our creation until our birth on earth for the True Glory of the GOD WHO IS LOVE:
1st. the creation of all spirits in HIS image
2nd. the first commandment to accept or reject GOD's plans for this creation
3d. resulting in the split between those who bowed by free will and those who rebelled by free will to this plan
4th. GOD's choice / election of the one's who accepted HIM as GOD, predestining them to be conformed to the image of HIS Son and granting them HIS divine love AND declaring the curse of damnation on any who rejected HIS plan.

Thus not only is our free will a completely necessary part of our self chosen destiny, it is mingled strongly with GOD's expression of HIS love for the one's who chose to join HIS church; election, predestination, and the gospel.

5th. the rebellion of some of HIS elect against HIS damnation of the non-elect so that these elect too became sinners, outside of HIS will but not of HIS love.

6th. And so HE created the physical universe and earth in particular where HIS sinful elect would have perfectly predestined lives whereby they could feel the suffering that sin causes and learn by experience that the non-elect will never repent and so must be damned.

These lives were also are the platform upon which HE built their redemption by the death of Christ on the cross and their sanctification until they are holy and finally willing to accpt the righteous judgment of HIS eternal enemies and the day of judgment comes.

That is why we are here and that is why satan struggles so fiercely to keep us in our sins, for the longer HIS elect are in sin, satan is safe from the postponed judgment.

Peace, Ted

[ttruscott wrote].....So, as I have been led to understand events of our creation until our birth on earth for the True Glory of the GOD WHO IS LOVE:

You speak of the biblical GOD WHO IS LOVE, who inspired Solomon to write, “Spare the rod and spoil the child.

I hope that you are referring to the same God of love, who is the God, who so loved his disobedient child “Israel,� that he raised up as his chastising Rod, the Babylonian, King Nebuchadnezzar, who slaughtered thousands upon thousands of the cells of the body of Israel before taking God’s chosen son into captivity.

The God of love, of whom it is predicted in the Old Testament, in Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.�

It will be on that great day of tribulation that the Lord gathers all the nations around Jerusalem, to execute his judgement on them: Zechariah 12: 10, and they will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.

Isaiah 63: 1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?� It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?�
The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; (This has not yet occurred) it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.�

The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle which is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh cooked to the bone will slide from their bodies while still standing.

Then all those who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, can kiss goodbye to their great cathedrals of Marble, stone and crystal, for all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives, who will go up each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship the Lord as King and woe betide those who refuse to do so, See Zechariah 14.

Malachi 3: I-2; The Lord Almighty answers, “I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant. (2) But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears?

[AquinasD]

He can't.... What else can the all powerful god not do? Finaly someone that knows what God is capable of.. Or in this case not capable..

He is not capable of instantiating logical contradictions. Why did you think He could? What did you take omnipotence to mean?

[McCulloch]

He [God] is not capable of instantiating logical contradictions. Why did you think He could? What did you take omnipotence to mean?

And yet Trinitarian Christians insist that God is a logical contradiction. There is one God. The Son of God is God. God the Father is God. But the Son is not the Father.

[AquinasD]

And yet Trinitarian Christians insist that God is a logical contradiction. There is one God. The Son of God is God. God the Father is God. But the Son is not the Father.

For one, Christians do not insist God is a logical contradiction. You might believe that the Trinity is a logical contradiction, but that is apart from it being the Christian's stated belief that God is a logical contradiction. Your objection here is completely irrelevant.

[connermt]

Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born? Just wake up in heaven.. We make no sense. A true god that most are wanting that created everything in the universe would not need living specks of like on a grain of sand in the universe...Why even make anything outside of heaven... I don't think believers have put a real effort on if there realy was a god what the heck would even bother with us...Would you?

For a second take god out of existance...There are countless ways life could of happen...Now add god back in and you were god... I have a universe with maybe 100's of millions of planets...My only thing Im worried about is getting humans to heaven?

I hope Im still alive when everyone wakes up..

Who've discovered yet another reason why one can rightly say "the christian god makes no sense".
Yes yes, others will say "only god understands why he did it this way" and/or "we aren't smart enough to grasp the concept of god and what he does" blah blah blah...
The same can be said of purple unicorns and talking sea slugs - make believe is fun - and we just don't understand why the purple unicorns or talking sea slugs do things the way they do.

[playhavock]

I find myself from time to time thinking about this question: Why live?

Life is hard. It is full of injustice and problems. Those I face are not as bad as other people. Am I making a difernace? I do not know that I am, fear that I am not.
If the "after life" is so wonderful - why plod along this lame one? Injoy G(g)od(s) asap! Becoming a beliver (of the right) relgion would be an instant win - why do you think that so meny cults sucide themselfs so quickly? Because they belive that they are going someone better then this place. They convince themselfs it is true, and boom. But christanity would not live long as a system if all christans did this - so in the doctrans and bible and such there is the idea that you are here for some reasion (but whatever it is will never be told to you) and you must live as long as (G) wants you to... because.... that is how it is.

Lame. On the other hand, if this life is it - there is no after life - why put up with it - is existing better then not existing? I will not miss the world, the world will not miss me - but a handfull of people will. My leaving will effect them. Killing myself would be a selfish thing to do.

And, there are postives - beauty and laughter, living to see people change and grow - I can not win the fight if I am not here to fight. I make my own path, my own destiny, and see where I go. I expect no reward for whatever good I might do. I do it because it is right to do so. I know there is no justice, so I strive for it here, and now - since this THIS is what matters. This is all we have. As long as we exist - there is hope for this world. Not God. God does nothing if it exists. It does not care, or does not show it cares in any way other then what some relgion says that makes no sence.

Humans must take care of each other, for we are all we have. Thats it. Thats why live - but why God - if there was a God would make all this (universe, galaxy, matter, etc) just to seprate people from itself .... my conclusion is that this verison of God is insain. Totaly insain. Of course its as unreal as all versions of God, but if it does exist, and I see no reasion to think it does - then it would have to be insain, foolish, and not very clever.

[alive]

He can't.... What else can the all powerful god not do? Finaly someone that knows what God is capable of.. Or in this case not capable..

He is not capable of instantiating logical contradictions. Why did you think He could? What did you take omnipotence to mean?

He's not capable? What do you think he thinks omnipotence to mean?

[AquinasD]

He's not capable? What do you think he thinks omnipotence to mean?

Omnipotence - the power to do anything.

Logical contradictions are not any 'thing' to be done in the first place.

[AquinasD]

Yes yes, others will say "only god understands why he did it this way" and/or "we aren't smart enough to grasp the concept of god and what he does" blah blah blah...

My response is not one of these. What is your take on my claim that we live in order to develop virtue?

[alive]

I find myself from time to time thinking about this question: Why live?

Life is hard. It is full of injustice and problems. Those I face are not as bad as other people. Am I making a difernace? I do not know that I am, fear that I am not.
If the "after life" is so wonderful - why plod along this lame one? Injoy G(g)od(s) asap! Becoming a beliver (of the right) relgion would be an instant win - why do you think that so meny cults sucide themselfs so quickly? Because they belive that they are going someone better then this place. They convince themselfs it is true, and boom. But christanity would not live long as a system if all christans did this - so in the doctrans and bible and such there is the idea that you are here for some reasion (but whatever it is will never be told to you) and you must live as long as (G) wants you to... because.... that is how it is.

Lame. On the other hand, if this life is it - there is no after life - why put up with it - is existing better then not existing? I will not miss the world, the world will not miss me - but a handfull of people will. My leaving will effect them. Killing myself would be a selfish thing to do.

And, there are postives - beauty and laughter, living to see people change and grow - I can not win the fight if I am not here to fight. I make my own path, my own destiny, and see where I go. I expect no reward for whatever good I might do. I do it because it is right to do so. I know there is no justice, so I strive for it here, and now - since this THIS is what matters. This is all we have. As long as we exist - there is hope for this world. Not God. God does nothing if it exists. It does not care, or does not show it cares in any way other then what some relgion says that makes no sence.

Humans must take care of each other, for we are all we have. Thats it. Thats why live - but why God - if there was a God would make all this (universe, galaxy, matter, etc) just to seprate people from itself .... my conclusion is that this verison of God is insain. Totaly insain. Of course its as unreal as all versions of God, but if it does exist, and I see no reasion to think it does - then it would have to be insain, foolish, and not very clever.

I think were on the same page...My why live was only if there was a god and heaven...I live for myself and the others around me... Yes killing your self is very selfish but also understanding as well... I have had 2 people close to our family that have done it in the last 10 years.... The first one I thought it was so selfish but within a few years afer he did it I came to understand where ever he is was now is better than what he was going though... Then the one that recently did it the first thing I thought was I cant believe he lasted this long and was actualy kind of happy he took him self out of his own misery... Pain... I mean real pain has a breaking point...You may not think you can do it but thats why I refuse to own a gun...A couple times it would of been so easy...I sometimes wonder if I will have the same strenght once all the kids are gone.