The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[SilenceInMotion]

Sanctified marriage is the Pope's business. If you are a homosexual, do not try to get married by holy rites. Go sign a 'legal' certificate and stay away from the Church. What is 'legal' and what is holy matrimony are two entirely different things. Homosexual marriage is not holy., they are not one in flesh. They are one in idolatrous, sinful deviance.

It's only his business within the Roman Catholic Church. Marriage does not belong to the RRC nor even to Christianity as a whole. No one is talking about forcing any priest or minister to perform a gay marriage. But there are many churches that would be more than happy to perform such marriages.

Your hateful description of gay people should not be applied to a group of people who are simply living according to the nature they were born with.

Prove that people are born gay. That is ultra-liberal dogma that has never amounted to anything but pseudo science.
People become gay because they grow up taking in every vanity and distortion, falling to homosexuality as a way to cope with the fallen world around them. After a while, they become alien to heterosexual inclinations in respect to the idolatry they let in. They are depraved individuals whose favored outlet is those who tell them it is okay. There is no natural way for them to have sex, to have a family, etc. They live after the fact of others, and are vain.

If you ask me, their is a certain 'hatred' not by Christians (real Christians), but rather you and others like you. All you all do is spout 'bigot' and 'hatred' and so on, being pretentious at every turn. Homosexuality is just a convenient outlet for you to hate Christians.

There is a myriad of scientific data that shows nature plays an important part in many aspects of one's identify, including scientifically. Prove straight people are born straight. Just because you may not understand, or accept it, doesn't mean it's psuedo science.
People are even born with both gender's sex organs. I guess they decided that before they were born too, right? Maybe they said "You know what? I think I'm going to live life with both gender identities just to stick-it to those darn christians!"
There are many, many outlets to hate christianity. With the pope's molestors running around the great RCC, seems like christianity is doing more to damage its own creditability than anyone else.

There is no 'scientific data' of such. It is all hearsay. If you do not believe me, go and find it. You will be searching in vain.

The Church has stood for nearly 2000 years. It is the largest and oldest organization on the planet. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, equaling the total amount of the 30,000+ denominations of other alleged 'Christians'.
These denominations are worldly and do not heed Christ, but worldly affairs, and they destroy their selves. Protestants, for example, have become a laughing stock to the world and they don't even realize it. Anglicans have let gays into both the clergy and mass, and they are becoming dwarfed in England by liberals and Muslims.
Every church has and is being breached by the gates of Hell, but the Church is still as infallible and mighty as it always has been just as Scripture states.

[Tex]

Sanctified marriage is the Pope's business. If you are a homosexual, do not try to get married by holy rites. Go sign a 'legal' certificate and stay away from the Church. What is 'legal' and what is holy matrimony are two entirely different things. Homosexual marriage is not holy., they are not one in flesh. They are one in idolatrous, sinful deviance.

It's only his business within the Roman Catholic Church. Marriage does not belong to the RRC nor even to Christianity as a whole. No one is talking about forcing any priest or minister to perform a gay marriage. But there are many churches that would be more than happy to perform such marriages.

Your hateful description of gay people should not be applied to a group of people who are simply living according to the nature they were born with.

Prove that people are born gay. That is ultra-liberal dogma that has never amounted to anything but pseudo science.
People become gay because they grow up taking in every vanity and distortion, falling to homosexuality as a way to cope with the fallen world around them. After a while, they become alien to heterosexual inclinations in respect to the idolatry they let in. They are depraved individuals whose favored outlet is those who tell them it is okay. There is no natural way for them to have sex, to have a family, etc. They live after the fact of others, and are vain.

If you ask me, their is a certain 'hatred' not by Christians (real Christians), but rather you and others like you. All you all do is spout 'bigot' and 'hatred' and so on, being pretentious at every turn. Homosexuality is just a convenient outlet for you to hate Christians.

There is a myriad of scientific data that shows nature plays an important part in many aspects of one's identify, including scientifically. Prove straight people are born straight. Just because you may not understand, or accept it, doesn't mean it's psuedo science.
People are even born with both gender's sex organs. I guess they decided that before they were born too, right? Maybe they said "You know what? I think I'm going to live life with both gender identities just to stick-it to those darn christians!"
There are many, many outlets to hate christianity. With the pope's molestors running around the great RCC, seems like christianity is doing more to damage its own creditability than anyone else.

Also people are born blind, deaf, and with all other types of abnormalities. But yet 2-5% of the worlds population want to be seen as normal, when they are clearly not. Go figure.

[Clownboat]

Sanctified marriage is the Pope's business. If you are a homosexual, do not try to get married by holy rites. Go sign a 'legal' certificate and stay away from the Church. What is 'legal' and what is holy matrimony are two entirely different things. Homosexual marriage is not holy., they are not one in flesh. They are one in idolatrous, sinful deviance.

It's only his business within the Roman Catholic Church. Marriage does not belong to the RRC nor even to Christianity as a whole. No one is talking about forcing any priest or minister to perform a gay marriage. But there are many churches that would be more than happy to perform such marriages.

Your hateful description of gay people should not be applied to a group of people who are simply living according to the nature they were born with.

Prove that people are born gay. That is ultra-liberal dogma that has never amounted to anything but pseudo science.
People become gay because they grow up taking in every vanity and distortion, falling to homosexuality as a way to cope with the fallen world around them. After a while, they become alien to heterosexual inclinations in respect to the idolatry they let in. They are depraved individuals whose favored outlet is those who tell them it is okay. There is no natural way for them to have sex, to have a family, etc. They live after the fact of others, and are vain.

If you ask me, their is a certain 'hatred' not by Christians (real Christians), but rather you and others like you. All you all do is spout 'bigot' and 'hatred' and so on, being pretentious at every turn. Homosexuality is just a convenient outlet for you to hate Christians.

There is a myriad of scientific data that shows nature plays an important part in many aspects of one's identify, including scientifically. Prove straight people are born straight. Just because you may not understand, or accept it, doesn't mean it's psuedo science.
People are even born with both gender's sex organs. I guess they decided that before they were born too, right? Maybe they said "You know what? I think I'm going to live life with both gender identities just to stick-it to those darn christians!"
There are many, many outlets to hate christianity. With the pope's molestors running around the great RCC, seems like christianity is doing more to damage its own creditability than anyone else.

There is no 'scientific data' of such. It is all hearsay. If you do not believe me, go and find it. You will be searching in vain.

The Church has stood for nearly 2000 years. It is the largest and oldest organization on the planet. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, equaling the total amount of the 30,000+ denominations of other alleged 'Christians'.
These denominations are worldly and do not heed Christ, but worldly affairs, and they destroy their selves. Protestants, for example, have become a laughing stock to the world and they don't even realize it. Anglicans have let gays into both the clergy and mass, and they are becoming dwarfed in England by liberals and Muslims.
Every church has and is being breached by the gates of Hell, but the Church is still as infallible and mighty as it always has been just as Scripture states.

You must have missed this from a couple posts back:

Both the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association say that homosexuality is an inborn trait. These are groups without a political agenda and can hardly be accused of practicing pseudo-science. That's good enough for me.

Why would you choose to follow and put you faith in a man made church when you can read the Bible on it's own and follow the teachings of Jesus? Not to mention, you would likely be a better person without the unnecessary baggage that comes along with the Catholic Church.

Here is a hint for you... If someone ever claims to be infallible, that should be a red flag for you (yet you embrace it).

[SilenceInMotion]

Sanctified marriage is the Pope's business. If you are a homosexual, do not try to get married by holy rites. Go sign a 'legal' certificate and stay away from the Church. What is 'legal' and what is holy matrimony are two entirely different things. Homosexual marriage is not holy., they are not one in flesh. They are one in idolatrous, sinful deviance.

It's only his business within the Roman Catholic Church. Marriage does not belong to the RRC nor even to Christianity as a whole. No one is talking about forcing any priest or minister to perform a gay marriage. But there are many churches that would be more than happy to perform such marriages.

Your hateful description of gay people should not be applied to a group of people who are simply living according to the nature they were born with.

Prove that people are born gay. That is ultra-liberal dogma that has never amounted to anything but pseudo science.
People become gay because they grow up taking in every vanity and distortion, falling to homosexuality as a way to cope with the fallen world around them. After a while, they become alien to heterosexual inclinations in respect to the idolatry they let in. They are depraved individuals whose favored outlet is those who tell them it is okay. There is no natural way for them to have sex, to have a family, etc. They live after the fact of others, and are vain.

If you ask me, their is a certain 'hatred' not by Christians (real Christians), but rather you and others like you. All you all do is spout 'bigot' and 'hatred' and so on, being pretentious at every turn. Homosexuality is just a convenient outlet for you to hate Christians.

There is a myriad of scientific data that shows nature plays an important part in many aspects of one's identify, including scientifically. Prove straight people are born straight. Just because you may not understand, or accept it, doesn't mean it's psuedo science.
People are even born with both gender's sex organs. I guess they decided that before they were born too, right? Maybe they said "You know what? I think I'm going to live life with both gender identities just to stick-it to those darn christians!"
There are many, many outlets to hate christianity. With the pope's molestors running around the great RCC, seems like christianity is doing more to damage its own creditability than anyone else.

There is no 'scientific data' of such. It is all hearsay. If you do not believe me, go and find it. You will be searching in vain.

The Church has stood for nearly 2000 years. It is the largest and oldest organization on the planet. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, equaling the total amount of the 30,000+ denominations of other alleged 'Christians'.
These denominations are worldly and do not heed Christ, but worldly affairs, and they destroy their selves. Protestants, for example, have become a laughing stock to the world and they don't even realize it. Anglicans have let gays into both the clergy and mass, and they are becoming dwarfed in England by liberals and Muslims.
Every church has and is being breached by the gates of Hell, but the Church is still as infallible and mighty as it always has been just as Scripture states.

You must have missed this from a couple posts back:

Both the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association say that homosexuality is an inborn trait. These are groups without a political agenda and can hardly be accused of practicing pseudo-science. That's good enough for me.

Why would you choose to follow and put you faith in a man made church when you can read the Bible on it's own and follow the teachings of Jesus? Not to mention, you would likely be a better person without the unnecessary baggage that comes along with the Catholic Church.

Here is a hint for you... If someone ever claims to be infallible, that should be a red flag for you (yet you embrace it).

They theorize (not conclude) that homosexuality is an inborn trait on the basis that attempts of medicating or treating homosexuals fail.
This is, in itself, is pseudo science, and is why it is not found in standardized medical journals or taught in college. There is no evidence that it isn't simply due to what I stated in my last post. Schizophrenia is not inborn and is also not curable, and homosexuality is the same way. Of course medical practitioners are not going to paint it this way, lest they get attacked by liberals.

The Catholic Church IS Christianity. It is the correct definition and practice of the religion of Christ. Scripture gives overwhelming evidence of such and even declares others as heretics right on.

[kayky]

There is no 'scientific data' of such. It is all hearsay. If you do not believe me, go and find it. You will be searching in vain.

It is considered a normal orientation not in need of medical or psychological intervention. What will the RRC do when scientists do discover the gene for it? Because they eventually will, you know. Then the RRC will have to eat crow just as they have with so many other scientific advancements that contradict the Bible.

The Church has stood for nearly 2000 years. It is the largest and oldest organization on the planet. There are 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, equaling the total amount of the 30,000+ denominations of other alleged 'Christians'.

I have no problem with the continued existence of the RRC. Funny thing though. When I was growing up, I was taught by my Baptist mother that all Catholics were idol and Mary worshipping heretics headed straight for hell. I guess there's plenty of hate to go around.

These denominations are worldly and do not heed Christ, but worldly affairs, and they destroy their selves. Protestants, for example, have become a laughing stock to the world and they don't even realize it. [/quotes]

This is breaking news. Who exactly is doing the laughing, and how do you know.

Anglicans have let gays into both the clergy and mass,

Yes. I belong to the American version, the Episcopalian church. We even have a (now retired) gay bishop. I am so proud of my church.

and they are becoming dwarfed in England by liberals and Muslims.

What's wrong with liberals and Muslums? Do you hate them too?

Every church has and is being breached by the gates of Hell, but the Church is still as infallible and mighty as it always has been just as Scripture states.

This is medieval nonsense.

[SilenceInMotion]

Every church has and is being breached by the gates of Hell, but the Church is still as infallible and mighty as it always has been just as Scripture states.

This is medieval nonsense.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

[kayky]

Also people are born blind, deaf, and with all other types of abnormalities. But yet 2-5% of the worlds population want to be seen as normal, when they are clearly not. Go figure.

What difference does this statistic make? Homosexuality has always been present in human society. It's time gays were recognized as being as fully human as anyone else and entitled to the same civil rights.

[Tex]

Also people are born blind, deaf, and with all other types of abnormalities. But yet 2-5% of the worlds population want to be seen as normal, when they are clearly not. Go figure.

What difference does this statistic make? Homosexuality has always been present in human society. It's time gays were recognized as being as fully human as anyone else and entitled to the same civil rights.

Tex: Agreed....It's not their fault they are born attracted to the same sex.
Too bad Science can't help with this affliction.

[kayky]

They theorize (not conclude) that homosexuality is an inborn trait on the basis that attempts of medicating or treating homosexuals fail.
This is, in itself, is pseudo science, and is why it is not found in standardized medical journals or taught in college. There is no evidence that it isn't simply due to what I stated in my last post. Schizophrenia is not inborn and is also not curable, and homosexuality is the same way. Of course medical practitioners are not going to paint it this way, lest they get attacked by liberals.

I've already addressed the AMA and APA issue in an earlier thread so I won't repeat that here. But I also asked you an important question in relation to it. I hope you won't overlook it.

I have a brother with schizophrenia. We have been told that many doctors believe it is genetic, and that this could someday lead to a cure. Probably too late for my brother.

I'd say the RCC will have its hands full in the coming decades with all this genetic research going on!

[connermt]

Sanctified marriage is the Pope's business. If you are a homosexual, do not try to get married by holy rites. Go sign a 'legal' certificate and stay away from the Church. What is 'legal' and what is holy matrimony are two entirely different things. Homosexual marriage is not holy., they are not one in flesh. They are one in idolatrous, sinful deviance.

It's only his business within the Roman Catholic Church. Marriage does not belong to the RRC nor even to Christianity as a whole. No one is talking about forcing any priest or minister to perform a gay marriage. But there are many churches that would be more than happy to perform such marriages.

Your hateful description of gay people should not be applied to a group of people who are simply living according to the nature they were born with.

Prove that people are born gay. That is ultra-liberal dogma that has never amounted to anything but pseudo science.
People become gay because they grow up taking in every vanity and distortion, falling to homosexuality as a way to cope with the fallen world around them. After a while, they become alien to heterosexual inclinations in respect to the idolatry they let in. They are depraved individuals whose favored outlet is those who tell them it is okay. There is no natural way for them to have sex, to have a family, etc. They live after the fact of others, and are vain.

If you ask me, their is a certain 'hatred' not by Christians (real Christians), but rather you and others like you. All you all do is spout 'bigot' and 'hatred' and so on, being pretentious at every turn. Homosexuality is just a convenient outlet for you to hate Christians.

There is a myriad of scientific data that shows nature plays an important part in many aspects of one's identify, including scientifically. Prove straight people are born straight. Just because you may not understand, or accept it, doesn't mean it's psuedo science.
People are even born with both gender's sex organs. I guess they decided that before they were born too, right? Maybe they said "You know what? I think I'm going to live life with both gender identities just to stick-it to those darn christians!"
There are many, many outlets to hate christianity. With the pope's molestors running around the great RCC, seems like christianity is doing more to damage its own creditability than anyone else.

Also people are born blind, deaf, and with all other types of abnormalities. But yet 2-5% of the worlds population want to be seen as normal, when they are clearly not. Go figure.

What does "being normal" have to do with this situation?