Did Allah start Christianty?

[Burninglight]

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: Like what exactly?, lol refusing to reject Islam does not make it a mythical nonsense.

Others have been showing you time and again on these threads how Islam is wrong compared with reality.

ANSWER: There are most certainly Angels that will carry out punishments,Angels are a mighty creation, and they perform many tasks, and they are divided into many groups, which no one knows except God

Then, it is obvious you are lying about angels if only God knows.

ANSWER: lol the last time I checked this sub-forum was littered with Anti-Islamic threads, so now I cannot defend my religion??

Another lie, there are no anti-Islamic threads here, there are only Islamic propaganda threads created by Muslims.

I haven't seen any flaws or fabrications so far.

Of course not, you are the one creating them. Everyone else is pointing them out to you, but you just keep fabricating more and more lies.

The problem is that Islamic propagandists do far more harm to Islam than anything else they attempt to achieve.

[Burninglight]

am I losing my mind?

That would be the most likeliest.

When God wants you attention He'll get but it may not be the way we like.

Nonsense, you are speaking for God and asserting what He would do.

If a god wants me to know he's there and wants to talk with me, he doesn't have to play immature games of hide and seek and sticking his hand up an asses bottom and using him for a puppet.

So you don't believe the story in the Bible where God allow an ass who spoke to reprove and save Balam's life for going against God. So you don't believe God wants to fellowship with His people?
If not, we differ in opinion, but I agree with most of your comments

[Burninglight]

ANSWER: No one has seen God, hence the reason why Prophets are sent to convey His Message

Then, we can conclude that if no one has seen God, those Prophets are obviously liars and frauds.

this is where the ultimate test lies because you are believing without seeing

No, its the acceptance of the word of a Prophet, who are liars and frauds. It has nothing to do with seeing or not seeing anything.

furthermore the reason why Prophets were sent with miracles, one of the blessings which God bestows upon the believers in this world, is that He has blessed them with Islam, and chosen them to be guided by the Quran, and He will bless them exclusively in Paradise with the greatest blessing that He can bestow, which is the honour of looking upon His holy Face in the Paradise of ‘Adan, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): 

Islamic propaganda. You can't possibly know that without having heard it directly from God.

“Some faces that Day shall be Naadirah (shining and radiant).

Looking at their Lord (Allaah)�

[al-Qiyaamah :22-23] 

i.e. the faces of the believers will be beautiful and radiant, joyful because they are looking at the Face of their Lord. Al-Hasan (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “They will look at their Lord and their faces will become radiant with His Light.� 

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “[The phrase] ‘Some faces that Day shall be Naadirah (shining and radiant)’ means, because of the blessing. ‘Looking at their Lord’ means, looking upon the Face of their Lord.�  This is the opinion of the mufassireen among the scholars of the Sunnah and hadeeth. 

You just said no one has seen God, so how can people be looking upon the Face of their Lord? Did Ibn 'Abbaas see God or talk with Him? If not, then he cannot know that.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):  

“There they will have all that they desire and We have more (for them, i.e. a glance at the All-Mighty, All-Majestic�

[Qaaf 50:35] 

What is meant by “more� here is looking upon the Face of Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, as that was interpreted by ‘Ali and Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with them). 

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“For those who have done good is the best reward and even more (i.e. having the honour of glancing at the Countenance of Allaah)�

[Yoonus 10:26] 

The “best reward� is Paradise, and “even more� is looking upon the Face of Allaah, as that was explained by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh (266) from Suhayb, according to whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 

“When the people of Paradise enter Paradise, Allaah will say, ‘Do you want anything more?’ They will say, ‘Have You not brightened our faces, admitted us to Paradise and saved us from Hell?’ Then the veil will be lifted and they will not have seen anything more dear to them than looking upon their Lord, may He be glorified and exalted. This is what is meant by ‘even more.’� Then he recited the verse (interpretation of the meaning): 

“For those who have done good is the best reward and even more (i.e. having the honour of glancing at the Countenance of Allaah)�

[Yoonus 10:26] 

So once you know that the people of Paradise will not be given anything there that is more dear to them than looking upon the Face of their Lord, it will become clear to you just how great is the deprivation and loss that awaits the sinners whom Allaah warns with the words (interpretation of the meaning): 

“Nay! Surely, they (evil doers) will be veiled from seeing their Lord that Day� 

[al-Mutafiffoon 83:15] 

That's all just more Islamic propaganda that means nothing because you said no one has seen God.

When I said I believe we can hear form God I don't mean that it is going to be audibly although God has done those things. For Instance, when some of Jesus' followers were with Him, He transfigued before them and God spoke aubibly. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased hear ye Him" There was a time that Jesus spoke to Paul after knocking Him off his horse. There are many different ways God communicated with people. One thing is for sure. It is always unique and when He speaks to you, you'll know because it bears witness with your own spirit! Personally, I have never heard God speak audibly to me, but I believe He can.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "Then, we can conclude that if no one has seen God, those Prophets are obviously liars and frauds"

ANSWER: How do you come to that conclusion, the only way you would come to that conclusion is denying the Prophets and Messengers of God.

QUOTE: "Islamic propaganda. You can't possibly know that without having heard it directly from God." 

ANSWER: Why??

QUOTE: "You just said no one has seen God, so how can people be looking upon the Face of their Lord? Did Ibn 'Abbaas see God or talk with Him? If not, then he cannot know that"

ANSWER: This is not in the life of this world but in the hereafter. Why would he need too??

QUOTE: "That's all just more Islamic propaganda that means nothing because you said no one has seen God"

ANSWER: Yes correct no one has seen God directly meaning face to face.

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "Others have been showing you time and again on these threads how Islam is wrong compared with reality"

ANSWER: Lol I disagree 

QUOTE: "Then, it is obvious you are lying about angels if only God knows."

ANSWER: How is this so?, God is the One telling us about the Angels not me.

QUOTE: Another lie, there are no anti-Islamic threads here, there are only Islamic propaganda threads created by Muslims"

ANSWER: This is reality

QUOTE: "Of course not, you are the one creating them. Everyone else is pointing them out to you, but you just keep fabricating more and more lies. 

The problem is that Islamic propagandists do far more harm to Islam than anything else they attempt to achieve."

ANSWER: So is that your answer instead of proving my posts wrong everything I have said in your eyes is either Islamic Propaganda or lies, none of this is coming from myself, people have pointed out nothing but their uncivilized attitudes, without any evidence proving me wrong from my sources.

[HaLi8993]

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "When I said I believe we can hear form God I don't mean that it is going to be audibly although God has done those things. For Instance, when some of Jesus' followers were with Him, He transfigued before them and God spoke aubibly. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased hear ye Him" There was a time that Jesus spoke to Paul after knocking Him off his horse. There are many different ways God communicated with people. One thing is for sure. It is always unique and when He speaks to you, you'll know because it bears witness with your own spirit! Personally, I have never heard God speak audibly to me, but I believe He can"

ANSWER: Did they see God?

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: Lol I disagree 

Of course, that is a requirement for the spreading of propaganda in the face of facts and reality.

God is the One telling us about the Angels not me.

That is false, God is not speaking to you or anyone else.

ANSWER: So is that your answer instead of proving my posts wrong everything I have said in your eyes is either Islamic Propaganda or lies, none of this is coming from myself, people have pointed out nothing but their uncivilized attitudes, without any evidence proving me wrong from my sources.

Your points and the Quran have been refuted time and again. You even admitted above you simply don't agree with them and are just making excuses. You don't even understand that those "uncivilized attitudes" are the result of an Islamic propagandist spreading fabrications about Islam. You are creating your own problems here and blaming others.

The dishonesty continues unabated.

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: How do you come to that conclusion, the only way you would come to that conclusion is denying the Prophets and Messengers of God.

It is a simple matter of elementary logic, reason and rationale that a child could understand to deny prophets and messengers of gods, especially the prophets who claimed to talk with angels and gods while being completely alone.

Who saw Muhammad talking with Gabriel? No one. Obviously, he's a liar and a fraud.

ANSWER: Yes correct no one has seen God directly meaning face to face.

Then, how do you know God exists? You don't and neither does anyone else, including Muhammad.

[Burninglight]

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "When I said I believe we can hear from God I don't mean that it is going to be audibly although God has done those things. For Instance, when some of Jesus' followers were with Him, He transfigued before them and God spoke aubibly. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased hear ye Him" There was a time that Jesus spoke to Paul after knocking Him off his horse. There are many different ways God communicated with people. One thing is for sure. It is always unique and when He speaks to you, you'll know because it bears witness with your own spirit! Personally, I have never heard God speak audibly to me, but I believe He can"

ANSWER: Did they see God?

They didn't see God when He spoke saying, "This is my beloved son...." but they did hear, and they saw Jesus standing with Moses and Elijah the prophet. Jesus was transfigured before them.
So you expect me to accept the Qur'an that Jesus isn't God's son over the testimony of those who saw and heard Jesus. Jesus said the voice came for their sakes. They heard God audibly confirm Jesus is the Son of God; not God's partner, but THE SON OF GOD. I wouldn't wnat to be caught dead standing before God on judgment day being a Muslim!

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "Then, we can conclude that if no one has seen God, those Prophets are obviously liars and frauds"

ANSWER: How do you come to that conclusion, the only way you would come to that conclusion is denying the Prophets and Messengers of God.

QUOTE: "Islamic propaganda. You can't possibly know that without having heard it directly from God." 

ANSWER: Why??

QUOTE: "You just said no one has seen God, so how can people be looking upon the Face of their Lord? Did Ibn 'Abbaas see God or talk with Him? If not, then he cannot know that"

ANSWER: This is not in the life of this world but in the hereafter. Why would he need to??

QUOTE: "That's all just more Islamic propaganda that means nothing because you said no one has seen God"

ANSWER: Yes correct no one has seen God directly meaning face to face.