Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.
The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!
Did Allah start Christianty?
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Post #301
LOL! That would make sense as to why you complain about societies, having to work and live with real people, all you want to do is sit around worshiping invisible gods. That is called a 'subsistence' in which you have no other purposes in life.HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: The purpose of life is to worship our Lord.
Sad indeed.
In other words, you imagined a creator because you had no education and no understanding about the stars, the moon, the sun and the ocean. Instead, the Quran was beaten into your head and now you believe in it rather than understand the world around you. Yeah, I get that.
ANSWER: Apart from the Quran and Sunnah, I know God exists because as a child growing up into my teenage years I would always contemplate on the purpose of life and our existence, when I looked around seeing the stars in the sky, the moon, the sun, the ocean I could not deny that this could not have been created by chance a higher power was responsible for all this
That for sure is a total fabrication, especially considering there are tens of thousands of children who die of starvation every day while they pray to god for a morsel of food. Your difficulties were dealt with by YOU and no one else....furthermore in all my difficulties faced growing up as a child I would always ask for Gods help and He would deliver me or make a way out for me from my difficulties, hence I was grateful and decided to sincerely dedicate my time reading about religion one thing lead to another and now there is no other way of life in the world that has all the answers other than Islam.
Definitely, not the same reasons why you personally think Thor and Zeus don't exist. LOL!So how do you personally think God doesn't exist??
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Post #303Hali, I believe in God, and I find most of what you say to be silly. How can Islam be seriously true when Muhammad was not a confirmed prophet. There isn't even any indication that he considered himself a prophet or anyone else during the time he lived. In fact, he showed doubt about himself and his visions. S 10:94. All this nonsense talk of him being a prophet happened way after his death. So who is Muhammad anyway?
He was a person who had seizures that made him spiritually delusional and people thought that came from Allah. Muhammad fits the description of a prophet wannabe ot a false prophet, but he doesn't hold his own to the great prophets in the Bible
He was a person who had seizures that made him spiritually delusional and people thought that came from Allah. Muhammad fits the description of a prophet wannabe ot a false prophet, but he doesn't hold his own to the great prophets in the Bible
Post #304
@ Burninlight
QUOTE: "So, you're saying Muslims discipline their infants?
ANSWER: Â Raising and educating children is one of the duties required of parents. God has enjoined that in the Quran, and the Messenger (peace be upon him) also enjoined that.Â
The Messenger (peace be upon him) gave the parents the responsibility of raising the children and made that obligatory upon them.Â
So raising children should be a balance between encouragement and warning. The most important element of all is making the environment in which the children live a good one, by providing the means whereby they may be guided, this means that their educators should be religiously committed, including their parents.Â
QUOTE: "So, you're saying Muslims discipline their infants?
ANSWER: Â Raising and educating children is one of the duties required of parents. God has enjoined that in the Quran, and the Messenger (peace be upon him) also enjoined that.Â
The Messenger (peace be upon him) gave the parents the responsibility of raising the children and made that obligatory upon them.Â
So raising children should be a balance between encouragement and warning. The most important element of all is making the environment in which the children live a good one, by providing the means whereby they may be guided, this means that their educators should be religiously committed, including their parents.Â
Post #305
@ A Troubled Man
QUOTE: "LOL! That would make sense as to why you complain about societies, having to work and live with real people, all you want to do is sit around worshiping invisible gods. That is called a 'subsistence' in which you have no other purposes in lifeÂ
Sad indeed"
ANSWER: If your happy to live a life without a purpose, being oppressed by the society you live in and work day and night, not worshipping your Lord and showing gratitude for all He has done for you that is your choice.Â
QUOTE: "In other words, you imagined a creator because you had no education and no understanding about the stars, the moon, the sun and the ocean. Instead, the Quran was beaten into your head and now you believe in it rather than understand the world around you. Yeah, I get that"
ANSWER: It's actually the education, knowledge and understanding about these things that leads to a person having no option in believing in the existence of God, learning about the magnitude of the universe could not have been created by man or by chance. I chose to read the Quran something you haven't tried. Islam teaches you everything you need to know about the world around you.Â
QUOTE: "That for sure is a total fabrication, especially considering there are tens of thousands of children who die of starvation every day while they pray to god for a morsel of food. Your difficulties were dealt with by YOU and no one else"
ANSWER: Who said that God accepts all prayers?? There are reasons why everything happens in the world, there is no way I could of been saved in some situations I was in by human intervention including myself.
QUOTE: "Definitely, not the same reasons why you personally think Thor and Zeus don't exist. LOL!"
ANSWER: So what exactly do you mean? so just because you haven't seen something it automatically suggests it doesn't exist?, there are many things I'm sure you haven't seen that exist especially things you have read or heard about.
QUOTE: "LOL! That would make sense as to why you complain about societies, having to work and live with real people, all you want to do is sit around worshiping invisible gods. That is called a 'subsistence' in which you have no other purposes in lifeÂ
Sad indeed"
ANSWER: If your happy to live a life without a purpose, being oppressed by the society you live in and work day and night, not worshipping your Lord and showing gratitude for all He has done for you that is your choice.Â
QUOTE: "In other words, you imagined a creator because you had no education and no understanding about the stars, the moon, the sun and the ocean. Instead, the Quran was beaten into your head and now you believe in it rather than understand the world around you. Yeah, I get that"
ANSWER: It's actually the education, knowledge and understanding about these things that leads to a person having no option in believing in the existence of God, learning about the magnitude of the universe could not have been created by man or by chance. I chose to read the Quran something you haven't tried. Islam teaches you everything you need to know about the world around you.Â
QUOTE: "That for sure is a total fabrication, especially considering there are tens of thousands of children who die of starvation every day while they pray to god for a morsel of food. Your difficulties were dealt with by YOU and no one else"
ANSWER: Who said that God accepts all prayers?? There are reasons why everything happens in the world, there is no way I could of been saved in some situations I was in by human intervention including myself.
QUOTE: "Definitely, not the same reasons why you personally think Thor and Zeus don't exist. LOL!"
ANSWER: So what exactly do you mean? so just because you haven't seen something it automatically suggests it doesn't exist?, there are many things I'm sure you haven't seen that exist especially things you have read or heard about.
Post #306
@ A Troubled Man
QUOTE: "Your silly answers have nothing to do with me and everything to do with you"
ANSWER: Well I guess considering the fact that I'm Muslim and believe there is a God and my answers are based on Gods laws then I guess your right lolÂ
QUOTE: "Your silly answers have nothing to do with me and everything to do with you"
ANSWER: Well I guess considering the fact that I'm Muslim and believe there is a God and my answers are based on Gods laws then I guess your right lolÂ
Post #307
@ Burninglight
QUOTE: "Hali, I believe in God, and I find most of what you say to be silly. How can Islam be seriously true when Muhammad was not a confirmed prophet. There isn't even any indication that he considered himself a prophet or anyone else during the time he lived. In fact, he showed doubt about himself and his visions. S 10:94. All this nonsense talk of him being a prophet happened way after his death. So who is Muhammad anyway?Â
ANSWER: What makes you believe he wasn't a confirmed Prophet?? God confirms he is a Prophet in many verses of the Quran and so does the Prophet (peace be upon him) as well as his followers.
This verse your referring to (Surah 10:94) is not suggesting he had doubt about himself it's actually shows how previous books attest to the Truth of the Qur'an Â
Allah said:
Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write whom they find written of with them in the Tawrah and the Injil.)(7:157) They are as certain of this as they are about who their children are, yet they hide it and distort it. They did not believe in it despite its clear evidence. ThereforeÂ
Allah said:
Truly, those, against whom the Word (wrath) of your Lord has been justified, will not believe. Even if every sign should come to them, until they see the painful torment.) meaning they would not believe in a way that they might benefit from that belief. This is when they believe at a time one may not be able to benefit from his belief. An example is when Musa prayed against Fir`awn (Pharoah) and his chiefs, saying:
Our Lord! Destroy their wealth, and harden their hearts, so that they will not believe until they see the painful torment.)(10:88) AndÂ
Allah said:
And even if We had sent down unto them angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allah willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.
All this happened after his death, your joking right??? Lol
QUOTE: "He was a person who had seizures that made him spiritually delusional and people thought that came from Allah. Muhammad fits the description of a prophet wannabe ot a false prophet, but he doesn't hold his own to the great prophets in the Bible"
ANSWER: They were revelations lol, I know you would love to believe this is true but it's not.Â
QUOTE: "Hali, I believe in God, and I find most of what you say to be silly. How can Islam be seriously true when Muhammad was not a confirmed prophet. There isn't even any indication that he considered himself a prophet or anyone else during the time he lived. In fact, he showed doubt about himself and his visions. S 10:94. All this nonsense talk of him being a prophet happened way after his death. So who is Muhammad anyway?Â
ANSWER: What makes you believe he wasn't a confirmed Prophet?? God confirms he is a Prophet in many verses of the Quran and so does the Prophet (peace be upon him) as well as his followers.
This verse your referring to (Surah 10:94) is not suggesting he had doubt about himself it's actually shows how previous books attest to the Truth of the Qur'an Â
Allah said:
Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write whom they find written of with them in the Tawrah and the Injil.)(7:157) They are as certain of this as they are about who their children are, yet they hide it and distort it. They did not believe in it despite its clear evidence. ThereforeÂ
Allah said:
Truly, those, against whom the Word (wrath) of your Lord has been justified, will not believe. Even if every sign should come to them, until they see the painful torment.) meaning they would not believe in a way that they might benefit from that belief. This is when they believe at a time one may not be able to benefit from his belief. An example is when Musa prayed against Fir`awn (Pharoah) and his chiefs, saying:
Our Lord! Destroy their wealth, and harden their hearts, so that they will not believe until they see the painful torment.)(10:88) AndÂ
Allah said:
And even if We had sent down unto them angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allah willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.
All this happened after his death, your joking right??? Lol
QUOTE: "He was a person who had seizures that made him spiritually delusional and people thought that came from Allah. Muhammad fits the description of a prophet wannabe ot a false prophet, but he doesn't hold his own to the great prophets in the Bible"
ANSWER: They were revelations lol, I know you would love to believe this is true but it's not.Â
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Post #308
[quote="HaLi8993"]
@ Burninglight
ANSWER: What makes you believe he wasn't a confirmed Prophet?? God confirms he is a Prophet in many verses of the Quran and so does the Prophet (peace be upon him) as well as his followers.
This verse your referring to (Surah 10:94) is not suggesting he had doubt about himself it's actually shows how previous books attest to the Truth of the Qur'an Â
[guote/] It says in the Bible that Ishmael was no prophet and you claim Muhammad is his descendant. so it is a logical conclusion. He is not a confirmed prophet. I also suggest you reread S 10:94
@ Burninglight
ANSWER: What makes you believe he wasn't a confirmed Prophet?? God confirms he is a Prophet in many verses of the Quran and so does the Prophet (peace be upon him) as well as his followers.
This verse your referring to (Surah 10:94) is not suggesting he had doubt about himself it's actually shows how previous books attest to the Truth of the Qur'an Â
[guote/] It says in the Bible that Ishmael was no prophet and you claim Muhammad is his descendant. so it is a logical conclusion. He is not a confirmed prophet. I also suggest you reread S 10:94
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Post #309
It says in the Bible that Ishmael was no prophet and you claim Muhammad is his descendant. so it is a logical conclusion. He is not a confirmed prophet. I also suggest you reread S 10:94HaLi8993 wrote: @ Burninglight
QUOTE: "Hali, I believe in God, and I find most of what you say to be silly. How can Islam be seriously true when Muhammad was not a confirmed prophet. There isn't even any indication that he considered himself a prophet or anyone else during the time he lived. In fact, he showed doubt about himself and his visions. S 10:94. All this nonsense talk of him being a prophet happened way after his death. So who is Muhammad anyway?Â
ANSWER: What makes you believe he wasn't a confirmed Prophet?? God confirms he is a Prophet in many verses of the Quran and so does the Prophet (peace be upon him) as well as his followers.
This verse your referring to (Surah 10:94) is not suggesting he had doubt about himself it's actually shows how previous books attest to the Truth of the Qur'an Â
Allah said:
Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write whom they find written of with them in the Tawrah and the Injil.)(7:157) They are as certain of this as they are about who their children are, yet they hide it and distort it. They did not believe in it despite its clear evidence. ThereforeÂ
Allah said:
Truly, those, against whom the Word (wrath) of your Lord has been justified, will not believe. Even if every sign should come to them, until they see the painful torment.) meaning they would not believe in a way that they might benefit from that belief. This is when they believe at a time one may not be able to benefit from his belief. An example is when Musa prayed against Fir`awn (Pharoah) and his chiefs, saying:
Our Lord! Destroy their wealth, and harden their hearts, so that they will not believe until they see the painful torment.)(10:88) AndÂ
Allah said:
And even if We had sent down unto them angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allah willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.
All this happened after his death, your joking right??? Lol
QUOTE: "He was a person who had seizures that made him spiritually delusional and people thought that came from Allah. Muhammad fits the description of a prophet wannabe ot a false prophet, but he doesn't hold his own to the great prophets in the Bible"
ANSWER: They were revelations lol, I know you would love to believe this is true but it's not.Â
Post #310
@ Burninglight
QUOTE: "It says in the Bible that Ishmael was no prophet and you claim Muhammad is his descendant. so it is a logical conclusion. He is not a confirmed prophet. I also suggest you reread S 10:94"
ANSWER: What verse in the bible says this??Â
QUOTE: "It says in the Bible that Ishmael was no prophet and you claim Muhammad is his descendant. so it is a logical conclusion. He is not a confirmed prophet. I also suggest you reread S 10:94"
ANSWER: What verse in the bible says this??Â
