Did Allah start Christianty?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 pm

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:54 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: If your happy to live a life without a purpose, being oppressed by the society you live in and work day and night, not worshipping your Lord and showing gratitude for all He has done for you that is your choice.Â

LOL! I create my own purposes in life with 'worshiping' anyone or anything not being part of it.

Your "Lord" has done nothing for me or anyone else. Gratitude? LOL!

ANSWER: It's actually the education, knowledge and understanding about these things that leads to a person having no option in believing in the existence of God, learning about the magnitude of the universe could not have been created by man or by chance. I chose to read the Quran something you haven't tried. Islam teaches you everything you need to know about the world around you.Â

LOL! Yes, that's why you're so wrong about the world around you. The universe was not created by men or by chance. Totally wrong.

ANSWER: So what exactly do you mean? so just because you haven't seen something it automatically suggests it doesn't exist?, there are many things I'm sure you haven't seen that exist especially things you have read or heard about.

No, there isn't anything that has been shown to exist that we have not already seen to exist.

Please provide those example if there are any?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:40 pm

If something exists now, that means something had always existed!

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:00 am

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "LOL! I create my own purposes in life with 'worshiping' anyone or anything not being part of it.Â

Your "Lord" has done nothing for me or anyone else. Gratitude? LOL!"

ANSWER: Lol, well that's rather selfish don't you think?, I can think of many things your Lord has done for you. Has He not placed a sun on Earth giving you warmth, has He not given you water to drink, has He not made night as rest for you, has He not created animals for you to eat from, has He not made an ocean for travel, and stars as light at night, has He not given you trees for oxygen, has He not prevented you from illness and diseases unimaginable .....if we were to count all the blessings of God we would not be able too. We can choose to ignore this but you cannot deny it.Â

QUOTE: "LOL! Yes, that's why you're so wrong about the world around you. The universe was not created by men or by chance. Totally wrong"

ANSWER: How do you think it was created,Â

QUOTE: "No, there isn't anything that has been shown to exist that we have not already seen to exist.Â

Please provide those example if there are any?

ANSWER: Time exists can we see time?

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:07 am

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "If something exists now, that means something had always existed!

ANSWER: What do you mean dinosaurs don't exist now, we know they existed he he he.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:43 am

HaLi8993 wrote: @ Burninglight

QUOTE: "If something exists now, that means something had always existed!

ANSWER: What do you mean dinosaurs don't exist now, we know they existed he he he.

If something exists, that means something or someone always existed. This is something that you agree with; that someone is God. This is an argument against atheism!

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:59 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
Has He not placed a sun on Earth giving you warmth, has He not given you water to drink, has He not made night as rest for you, has He not created animals for you to eat from, has He not made an ocean for travel, and stars as light at night, has He not given you trees for oxygen, has He not prevented you from illness and diseases unimaginable .....if we were to count all the blessings of God we would not be able too. We can choose to ignore this but you cannot deny it.
I understand the facts as to why there is a sun, water, animals, stars, oceans and trees, and none of them have anything to do with your invisible god. Absolutely nothing. YOU have chosen to deny or ignore those facts.Â

Funny how your god has not prevented millions of others from illnesses and diseases, why would he let them suffer and die but prevent them from me? Does he favor me over all those others?

ANSWER: How do you think it was created
Not by invisible gods. The universe came about on its own.

ANSWER: Time exists can we see time?
Yes, we can, it is intertwined in our universe just like the other dimensions.

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:42 pm

@ Burniglight

QUOTE: "If something exists, that means something or someone always existed. This is something that you agree with; that someone is God. This is an argument against atheism!"

Â ANSWER: If something exists that means there is a Creator; which is God All-Mighty.Â

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:43 pm

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "I understand the facts as to why there is a sun, water, animals, stars, oceans and trees, and none of them have anything to do with your invisible god. Absolutely nothing. YOU have chosen to deny or ignore those facts. Â

Funny how your god has not prevented millions of others from illnesses and diseases, why would he let them suffer and die but prevent them from me? Does he favor me over all those others? "

ANSWER: Yes I acknowledge these facts Â exist too but who created them?, that is God's will, everything happens for a reason, bad things happen for many reasons such as to appreciate what we have, or as a test which God will reward us for in the hereafter when one shows patience, or as a punishment or purification, or so that people will turn back to their Lord in repentance and seeking the truth.....

QUOTE: "Not by invisible gods. The universe came about on its own."

ANSWER: How?

QUOTE: "Yes, we can, it is intertwined in our universe just like the other dimensions"

ANSWER: Can we physically see time??

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:29 am

HaLi8993 wrote: @ Burniglight

QUOTE: "If something exists, that means something or someone always existed. This is something that you agree with; that someone is God. This is an argument against atheism!"

Â ANSWER: If something exists that means there is a Creator; which is God All-Mighty.Â

Exactly,and He always existed

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:04 am

HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Yes I acknowledge these facts Â exist too but who created them?

No one created them, they came about entirely on their own.

that is God's will, everything happens for a reason, bad things happen for many reasons such as to appreciate what we have, or as a test which God will reward us for in the hereafter when one shows patience, or as a punishment or purification, or so that people will turn back to their Lord in repentance and seeking the truth.....

That is just indoctrinated nonsense that defies reality and insults the intelligence and anyone who has ever had anything bad happen to them.

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