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Are there any evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

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One of the key beliefs of Christianity that sets it apart from all other religions is that Jesus rose from the dead. No other religious founder has risen from the dead.

The Bible is clear that Jesus rose from the dead. But, are there any other evidence that Jesus was resurrected from the dead?

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Re: What's Reliable and What's Not?

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Nick Hallandale wrote:If some of the Gospels are reliable and some are not......... And Acts is not reliable........... How do you know what to believe and what to discard? How come God couldn't keep all the NT reliable? Do you realize that you have a big problem?
Well, it depends on what exactly we are talking about. I don't need to know that something was said by Peter to believe that it was a good and moral thing to say. I also don't need to believe that everything in Acts or the Gospels happened, since I have Paul and I can read what the early Church actually believed about Jesus. In fact, if all we had of Christianity were the writings of Paul, I wouldn't find the least bit of change in my beliefs.

However, if we really want to know what contemporaries of Paul believed, the earlier writings are accessible through biblical scholarship. So, that expands a great deal on what to belief. As far as discarding scriptures to believe, I don't think anything is worth discarding since I think the scriptures have enormous value for other reasons besides their historical truth.

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Re: Are there any evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

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otseng wrote:One of the key beliefs of Christianity that sets it apart from all other religions is that Jesus rose from the dead. No other religious founder has risen from the dead.

The Bible is clear that Jesus rose from the dead. But, are there any other evidence that Jesus was resurrected from the dead?
Yes, there is the eye witness account given in the Urantia Book. :-k

PAPER 189
THE RESURRECTION
SOON after the burial of Jesus on Friday afternoon, the chief of the archangels, then present on Earth, summoned his council of the resurrection of sleeping will creatures and entered upon the consideration of a possible technique for the restoration of Jesus. These assembled sons of the local universe, the creatures of Christ the Creator, did this on their own responsibility; Gabriel had not assembled them. By midnight they had arrived at the conclusion that the creature could do nothing to facilitate the resurrection of the Creator. They were disposed to accept the advice of Gabriel, who instructed them that, since The Creator had “laid down his life of his own free will, he also had power to take it up again in accordance with his own determination.” Shortly after the adjournment of this council of the archangels, the Life Carriers, and their various associates in the work of creature rehabilitation and morontia creation, the Personalized Adjuster of Jesus, being in personal command of the assembled celestial hosts then on Earth, spoke these words to the anxious waiting watchers:
“Not one of you can do aught to assist your Creator-father in the return
to life. As a mortal of the realm he has experienced mortal death; as the
Sovereign of a universe he still lives. That which you observe is the mortal
transit of Jesus of Nazareth from life in the flesh to life in the morontia(pre-spirit material).The spirit transit of this Jesus was completed at the time I separated myself from his personality and became your temporary director. Your Creator-father has elected to pass through the whole of the experience of his mortal creatures, from birth on the material worlds, on through natural death and the resurrection of the morontia, into the status of true spirit existence. A certain phase of this experience you are about to observe, but you may not participate in it. Those things which you ordinarily do for the creature, you may not do for the Creator. A Creator Son has within himself the power to bestow himself in the likeness of any of his created sons; he has within himself the power to lay down his observable life and to take it up again; and he has this power because of the direct command of the Paradise Father, and I know whereof I speak.”
When they heard the Personalized Adjuster so speak, they all assumed the attitude of anxious expectancy, from Gabriel down to the most humble cherubim. They saw the mortal body of Jesus in the tomb; they detected evidences of the universe activity of their beloved Sovereign; and not understanding such phenomena, they waited patiently for developments.

1. THE MORONTIA TRANSIT

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission,
consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and morontia activities began to issue from Joseph’s new tomb, and at two minutes past three o’clock, this

Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected morontia form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected morontia personality of Jesus.
Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities? As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again as a morontia being of the system of Satania in Norlatiadek. There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or morontia resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph’s new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.
We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this morontia awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master’s awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure.

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Re: Are there any evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

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Bro Dave wrote:Yes, there is the eye witness account given in the Urantia Book.
Until there is widespread acceptance of the accuracy and reliability of the Urantia Book, I don't think that we should accept this as evidence. I think that this topic is beyond the scope of this debate thread, so I have created a thread to debate the use of the The Urantia Book for Christian apologetics.
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Bro Dave wrote:Yes, there is the eye witness account given in the Urantia Book.
McCulloch wrote:Until there is widespread acceptance of the accuracy and reliability of the Urantia Book, I don't think that we should accept this as evidence. I think that this topic is beyond the scope of this debate thread, so I have created a thread to debate the use of the The Urantia Book for Christian apologetics.

The Urantia Book, while interesting, seems to have failed the test of being used as a source of objective historical evidence.
So, to answer the original question, "The Bible is clear that Jesus rose from the dead. But, are there any other evidence that Jesus was resurrected from the dead?"
No, there is not.
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Re: Are there any evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

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McCulloch wrote:Until there is widespread acceptance of the accuracy and reliability of the Urantia Book, I don't think that we should accept this as evidence. I think that this topic is beyond the scope of this debate thread, so I have created a thread to debate the use of the The Urantia Book for Christian apologetics.
There's no more reason to believe the Urantia Book than there is to believe the Bible and therefore, no more reason to use it in a debate. Empty claims are empty claims regardless of what book you pull them out of. The Bible, Urantia Book, Qu'ran, Vedas, Enuma Elish, yadda yadda mean nothing whatsoever to anyone who doesn't blindly believe what's in them and since very little can be objectively demonstrated from those books, they're little more useful than the Weekly World News.

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canadianhorsefan wrote:Jesus (pbuh) was never killed. So, he never rose from the dead. He wasn't killed, he was saved by Allah. I'm sorry if I'm going crazy, I've just got debate-fever, and since I'm the only one online, I'm going nuts. :confused2:

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Peace,

I believe this post..

Its not unreasonable to believe Jesus(pbuh) rose (as in the accention). If he had not gone *someplace* it seems to me he would have continued to preach the gospel in a way that was note worty. No such writings exist that I know of.

But he did not die. He said so himself.

A person can take the word of the writers of the bible who were "inspired", "moved" or "tickled" but if we look at the words of Jesus(pbuh) he clearly states in no uncertian terms that he would not die.

Jesus(pbuh) says in Matthew 12:39-40......

"An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".

The sign of Jonah(pbuh) was the fact that we expected Jonah(pbuh) to die and he did not. In spite of the fact that Jonah(pbuh) was consumed by a whale he prayed to God for help from the whale's stomach. Jonah Chapter 2 verse 1 says....
"Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly".

Three days and three nights later the whale spits Jonah(pbuh) out on the dry land. *Alive*.

Jesus(pbuh) lived and so did Jonah.

End of controversy.

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if you want to look at this in different respects....scientifically it is impossible, historically there is no proof, BUT

in terms of mythology, the ressurection of jesus is nothing new.

As a matter of fact there many pre-christian faiths that use death and rebirth symbolism in their myths.

The sumerian story of Inanna. As a matter of fact, She is the first known mythological figure to die and resurrect.
She was the daughter of the gods, sent down to take pain away from her people and be their savior, she healed and performed miracles and even assended to the underworld and returned. And this was over 5,000 yrs before christianity.

Buddha another perfect example, buddha and jesus can be lined up like a check list with the similarities, even up to the characteristics of their 12 diciples.

So no, literally there is no proof of the resurection, but metaphorically, what more proof do you need?

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The sumerian story of Inanna. As a matter of fact, She is the first known mythological figure to die and resurrect.
She was the daughter of the gods, sent down to take pain away from her people and be their savior, she healed and performed miracles and even assended to the underworld and returned. And this was over 5,000 yrs before christianity.
Certainly. Let's not forget that Jewish mythology owes almost everything to other Mesopotamic and Middle East mythologies
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Lynalia wrote:So no, literally there is no proof of the resurection, but metaphorically, what more proof do you need?
Actually, that's pretty good evidence that no resurrection ever took place in reality. Most of what Jesus was reported to have done was simply taken from other mythologies. There are at least a dozen "messiahs" from the Middle East alone that were born of a virgin named Mary (or some variation), and were crucified and rose from the dead. It's not exactly an original theme, yet people still believe that the latecomer Jesus actually did all the things that these mythical saviors before him reportedly did first.

Makes no sense to me.

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Cephus wrote:
Lynalia wrote:So no, literally there is no proof of the resurection, but metaphorically, what more proof do you need?
Actually, that's pretty good evidence that no resurrection ever took place in reality. Most of what Jesus was reported to have done was simply taken from other mythologies. There are at least a dozen "messiahs" from the Middle East alone that were born of a virgin named Mary (or some variation), and were crucified and rose from the dead. It's not exactly an original theme, yet people still believe that the latecomer Jesus actually did all the things that these mythical saviors before him reportedly did first.

Makes no sense to me.
For what its worth, Jesus was not, and never claimed to be the Jewish Messaih. In fact, this was a continual problem for him with his apostles. The Messaih was to be an earthly king, who would bring the Jews into a position of world dominance. Clearly that was never Jesus claim or any part of his teaching. He simply taught that we are all children of the same Father, God, and that the Kingdom of heaven was within. His followers added many layers to this, and eventually voted a compilation of these additions into what we call the Bible(s).

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