witchcraft

[Telora]

Is there any middle ground between the actions that can be considered supernatural witchcraft and the faiths that directly forbid it, what exactly is forbidden and why?

[Serpent Oracle]

In other words, when our religion does it, it is a miracle. When your religion does it, it is demonic. Yeah, right.

For every real thing there is a counterfeit. It doesn't just happen with money.

How can I tell that your religion is the genuine article and all the others are counterfeit?

Call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you'll find knock and the door will be opened. You need to ask the right questions and seek the right things and knock on big doors. Ask Jesus for discernment

Personally speaking I would ask Jesus for discernment but that would mean hiring a medium as the guy has been dead these past 2000 years or so.

You want him to taste the Lord to see that he is good?

Whatever you are smoking...I want some.

But as usual a Christian gives an empty meaningless reponse...why don't you just admit you haven't got a clue what you are blathering on about?

That post didn't prove anything except that you wont get a sensible answer from a theist.

[Divine Insight]

Is there any middle ground between the actions that can be considered supernatural witchcraft and the faiths that directly forbid it, what exactly is forbidden and why?

Witchcraft and all forms of the occult are under the control of demons. Anyone who seeks to use them opens themselves up to being used in the most evil ways.

So followers of God are warned not to take part in any occult or witchcraft. For our one Good. We give warning to others who may think that these entities have their good at heart or even more deluded ones who think they can have power and control over these entities. Of course taking part in the occult or witchcraft my obtain for a person some advantages in this life, because this world is ruled by satan and his followers. But Christians know this life and lucifers future is limited. What ever advantage they receive will only be for a portion of their physical lives. For followers of God we shall have the ultimate advantage in eternity, far superior to the scraps that are on offer to the servants of satan in this world.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Actually what you've said here is false and not in like with what Jesus taught. It never ceases to amaze me how Christians are so ignorant of the life, times, and teachings of Jesus.

Jesus himself was performing magick (i.e. miracle healing, etc) and was confronted by the Pharisees. The Pharisees accused him of calling upon demonic powers to perform his magick.

But Jesus renounced their charge by pointing out that he does good works and that no good works can come from Satan because a house divided against itself can not stand.

Therefore, according to Jesus, any witch who uses magick for good works can only be working through God as it is impossible for them to be working through Satan.

So according to Jesus witches who practice magic for good works can only be obtaining their powers from God.

So the Christians have this all wrong and they are basically spitting in the face of Jesus when they teach the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Anyone who uses magick for good works must necessarily be using divine power because evil power cannot be used for good works.

That was Jesus' own defense when he was charged with performing magick in the name of Satan.

And if that defense was valid for him, then it necessarily must be valid for all other witches too.

So far too many Christians lie in Jesus' name far too often. But they don't fool me. They are clearly blasphemers against their own Christ.

The teachings of Jesus cannot be used to support the lies of "Christianity".

[Divine Insight]

Is there any middle ground between the actions that can be considered supernatural witchcraft and the faiths that directly forbid it, what exactly is forbidden and why?

As I've already stated in my previous post Jesus himself would necessarily need to support that any supernatural witchcraft that is used for purposes of good must necessarily come from the divine. Because this was his very own defense when he was charged by the pharisees for performing his magick.

So witchcraft used for good purposes is necessarily divine and would clearly be accepted and embraced by Jesus.

Christians who renounce it in the name of Jesus or their biblical God are liars who are misrepresenting the teaching of their very own Christ.

The only incompatibility that witchcraft can have with Jesus is if it were to be used for evil purposes. Then clearly his same logic would apply. If you are using the powers for evil they can only be driven by evil forces.

So as long as a witch performs witchcraft that is solely for purpose of good then they are acting far more "Christ-like" than the so-called "Christians" who unfortunately twist and crucify the words of Jesus all the time for their own hateful agenda.

Jesus necessarily supports witchcraft that is used for good as being of divine origin. That was his very own defense. So it must hold for everyone.

[Burninglight]

Is there any middle ground between the actions that can be considered supernatural witchcraft and the faiths that directly forbid it, what exactly is forbidden and why?

As I've already stated in my previous post Jesus himself would necessarily need to support that any supernatural witchcraft that is used for purposes of good must necessarily come from the divine. Because this was his very own defense when he was charged by the pharisees for performing his magick.

So witchcraft used for good purposes is necessarily divine and would clearly be accepted and embraced by Jesus.

Christians who renounce it in the name of Jesus or their biblical God are liars who are misrepresenting the teaching of their very own Christ.

The only incompatibility that witchcraft can have with Jesus is if it were to be used for evil purposes. Then clearly his same logic would apply. If you are using the powers for evil they can only be driven by evil forces.

So as long as a witch performs witchcraft that is solely for purpose of good then they are acting far more "Christ-like" than the so-called "Christians" who unfortunately twist and crucify the words of Jesus all the time for their own hateful agenda.

Jesus necessarily supports witchcraft that is used for good as being of divine origin. That was his very own defense. So it must hold for everyone.

Prove that was Jesus' defense. There is no good outside of God. Man's righteousness is filthy rags in the sight of God. The good man does outside God' will, will only benefit him here and now and not in the hereafter. Only what God does through us is the good works that follow the righteous. Only hid in Christ is man good enough to receive salvation. Witchcraft is from hell, and has nothing to do with the divine attributes of God! Good witchcraft is a joke and an oxymoron. Besides, in that case, good is the enemy of the best!
There is no other name given whereby we might be saved but Jesus Christ. We either accept Him now when we are alive and well, and receive eternal life a gift, or at death, Satan claims our soul for a Godless eternity.
We are free to choose, but not free from the consequences of our choices! Choose wisely.

[Divine Insight]

Prove that was Jesus' defense.

It's in the New Testament. Have you ever read the New Testament?

There is no other name given whereby we might be saved but Jesus Christ. We either accept Him now when we are alive and well, and receive eternal life a gift, or at death, Satan claims our soul for a Godless eternity.
We are free to choose, but not free from the consequences of our choices! Choose wisely.

That's just Christian hate speech that can't be supported by the Bible, and certainly can't be supported by the rumors about Jesus.


There is nothing in the New Testament that support that Jesus is the monster that you suggest.

[Burninglight]

Prove that was Jesus' defense.

It's in the New Testament. Have you ever read the New Testament?

There is no other name given whereby we might be saved but Jesus Christ. We either accept Him now when we are alive and well, and receive eternal life a gift, or at death, Satan claims our soul for a Godless eternity.
We are free to choose, but not free from the consequences of our choices! Choose wisely.

That's just Christian hate speech that can't be supported by the Bible, and certainly can't be supported by the rumors about Jesus.


There is nothing in the New Testament that support that Jesus is the monster that you suggest.

To sheep He is a lamb; to the wolf He is a terrible Lion! You need to read the Bible a little more carefully. Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah!

[Suluby]

In other words, when our religion does it, it is a miracle. When your religion does it, it is demonic. Yeah, right.

For every real thing there is a counterfeit. It doesn't just happen with money.

How can I tell that your religion is the genuine article and all the others are counterfeit?

Call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you'll find knock and the door will be opened. You need to ask the right questions and seek the right things and knock on big doors. Ask Jesus for discernment

How will I know I am saved? What must I be saved from?

"Taste and see that the Lord is good." That sounds more than a little cannibalistic ..... and gross!

"Ask and you shall receive, seek and you'll find" Ah ..... so Christians never want, are never in need ..... they get everything they need and want simply by asking and seeking!

This "discernment" you speak of ..... will you know I have it when I believe exactly what you believe? And you can tell I don't have it if I don't believe exactly what you believe?


Pretty words ..... but they don't give me a lot of information.

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[Divine Insight]

To sheep He is a lamb; to the wolf He is a terrible Lion! You need to read the Bible a little more carefully. Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah!

I never suggested that the Bible isn't filled with hate. I'm sure it is.

But that doesn't change the fact that you aren't aware of Jesus' defensive arguments that he used against the Pharisees.

If Jesus' defense that magick used for good deeds can only have come from God and cannot possibly have come from Satan is a valid defense for Jesus, then it's necessarily a valid defense for everyone.

And that most certainly was his defense against those very charges. Therefore all witches who use magick for good deeds are necessarily just as divine as Jesus.

[Burninglight]

In other words, when our religion does it, it is a miracle. When your religion does it, it is demonic. Yeah, right.

For every real thing there is a counterfeit. It doesn't just happen with money.

How can I tell that your religion is the genuine article and all the others are counterfeit?

Call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Ask and you shall receive, seek and you'll find knock and the door will be opened. You need to ask the right questions and seek the right things and knock on big doors. Ask Jesus for discernment

How will I know I am saved? What must I be saved from?

"Taste and see that the Lord is good." That sounds more than a little cannibalistic ..... and gross!

"Ask and you shall receive, seek and you'll find" Ah ..... so Christians never want, are never in need ..... they get everything they need and want simply by asking and seeking!

This "discernment" you speak of ..... will you know I have it when I believe exactly what you believe? And you can tell I don't have it if I don't believe exactly what you believe?


Pretty words ..... but they don't give me a lot of information.

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What info are you looking for? Cannibalistic and gross you say; well, if that is how you comprehend what I am saying, maybe you should give yourself that shot your holding in your hand. I take you're a nurse.

As I mentioned, you must ask the right questions, and seek for the right things and knock on the right doors. When you do, you'll receive and you'll be the first to know not I!

[Burninglight]

To sheep He is a lamb; to the wolf He is a terrible Lion! You need to read the Bible a little more carefully. Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah!

I never suggested that the Bible isn't filled with hate. I'm sure it is.

But that doesn't change the fact that you aren't aware of Jesus' defensive arguments that he used against the Pharisees.

If Jesus' defense that magick used for good deeds can only have come from God and cannot possibly have come from Satan is a valid defense for Jesus, then it's necessarily a valid defense for everyone.

And that most certainly was his defense against those very charges. Therefore all witches who use magick for good deeds are necessarily just as divine as Jesus.

What Jesus did was not magic; so that renders your argument moot.