Did Allah start Christianty?

[Burninglight]

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

[A Troubled Man]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but you are fighting a losing battle on disproving the existence of God.

Why would I care about that? It is the believer who must prove the existence of their gods, not the other way round.

For example, can you disprove the existence of Zeus or Thor?

You have Jews, Christians and Muslims who believe in one God creator of heaven and earth. Therefore, you are not only grossly out numbered

LOL! Appeal to popularity fallacy.

but it makes no sense not to believe that behind all this design there is no designer.

LOL! Appeal to belief fallacy.

It doesn't compute to most of the people in the world. You are better off concentrating on how illogical and inconsistent a given religion is by comparing and contrasting Islam to Christianity. Islam's greatest enemy is not Christianity. It is truth and knowledge. It's best ally is ignorance and deception. So that is the level you should focus on or where you might have a slight chance.

Sorry, but I see Christianity as every bit an enemy to truth and knowledge than any other religion, Islam or otherwise.

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: I'm not sure what you are trying to imply.

Have you any evidence that Islam accepts such a thing, if you could find me anything that states that Islam allows anyone to throw acid in some ones face and that it is permissible in Islam I would consider your argument.

No, Islam does not say to throw battery acid on women's faces considering battery acid never existed 1400 years ago. Perhaps, you can show why Muslim men are compelled to commit such heinous acts against their wives?

I could easily say that without religion rape is a major issue in America or how American soldiers went on a shooting spree killing 16 innocent Afghans. 

You are free to say that, but that doesn't explain why Muslim men throw battery acid in their wives faces.

ANSWER: What makes you think he had no miracles??

Simple, there are no such thing as miracles. Obviously, he was a liar and a fraud.

ANSWER: We have his whole life written in Hadith, these Hadith trace all the way back to the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) with authentic chain of narrations. 

So what? None of that shows he spoke with an angel or that a religion was revealed to him.

I could ask you the same thing how do you know God doesn't exist??

I don't know for sure, but you also don't know if God does exist, we have to go by the evidence available, and there is none.

[Burninglight]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but you are fighting a losing battle on disproving the existence of God.

Why would I care about that? It is the believer who must prove the existence of their gods, not the other way round.

For example, can you disprove the existence of Zeus or Thor?

You have Jews, Christians and Muslims who believe in one God creator of heaven and earth. Therefore, you are not only grossly out numbered

LOL! Appeal to popularity fallacy..

Of course not, but I haven't had a personal experience with Zeus of Thor. I have with Jesus that bears witness with my spirit. Can I convince you of that? no, and I am not trying to.

Moreover, this is not an appeal as to why you should believe. Number has nothing to do with truth, but it does as far as what you are trying to accomplish such as get people to see that God is a fallacy.

but it makes no sense not to believe that behind all this design there is no designer.

LOL! Appeal to belief fallacy..

No, I am telling you it doesn't make sense to me. You can call it what you want.

It doesn't compute to most of the people in the world. You are better off concentrating on how illogical and inconsistent a given religion is by comparing and contrasting Islam to Christianity. Islam's greatest enemy is not Christianity. It is truth and knowledge. It's best ally is ignorance and deception. So that is the level you should focus on or where you might have a slight chance.

Sorry, but I see Christianity as every bit an enemy to truth and knowledge than any other religion, Islam or otherwise.

I know you don't, but that doesn't mean spiritual things aren't happening.
You once said creation happened on its own. Let me tell you a story: There once was a man that was so annoyed with believers he started shouting out to everyone "THERE IS NO GOD, CREATION CREATED ITSELF. THERE IS NO GOD, NO GOD at all; DID YOU HEAR? CREATION CREATED ITSELF, CREATION CREATED ITSELF" no sooner than he said it, a bottle went flying through the air and banged him on the head. "Ouch," He said, "Who threw that bottle???" Someone shouted out: "NO ONE, IT THREW ITSELF"

[A Troubled Man]

Of course not, but I haven't had a personal experience with Zeus of Thor. I have with Jesus that bears witness with my spirit. Can I convince you of that? no, and I am not trying to.

Of course, you can't convince anyone of your personal experiences, nor can you distinguish those experiences from delusion, indoctrination or mental disorders.

No, I am telling you it doesn't make sense to me. You can call it what you want.

Argument from incredulity, then.

I know you don't, but that doesn't mean spiritual things aren't happening.

The spiritual realm, or whatever you want to call it, has never been shown to exist and the laws of nature prohibit such a realm from existing in reality.

You once said creation happened on its own. Let me tell you a story: There once was a man that was so annoyed with believers he started shouting out to everyone "THERE IS NO GOD, CREATION CREATED ITSELF. THERE IS NO GOD, NO GOD at all; DID YOU HEAR? CREATION CREATED ITSELF, CREATION CREATED ITSELF" no sooner than he said it, a bottle went flying through the air and banged him on the head. "Ouch," He said, "Who threw that bottle???" Someone shouted out: "NO ONE, IT THREW ITSELF"

That's nice.

[Burninglight]

Of course not, but I haven't had a personal experience with Zeus of Thor. I have with Jesus that bears witness with my spirit. Can I convince you of that? no, and I am not trying to.

Of course, you can't convince anyone of your personal experiences, nor can you distinguish those experiences from delusion, indoctrination or mental disorders.

This could be true in some cases, but not always; besides, if you were totally right, I'd rather be mad and glad than sane and sad!
You cannot deny one's experiences, but when you have someone who is totally against Christians and even looking to kill them and they have a certain spiritual experience that causes them to promote that faith. This tells me something has happened that has nothing to do with indoctrination, delusional? I doubt it, mental disorder? maybe; delusion? could be part of a mental disorder, but I doubt it based on my own experiences. I know the spiritual realm is real in my heart, mind and soul. instead of being such a doubting Thomas, why don't you ask God to show you. Jesus said ask and you'll receive?

[A Troubled Man]

This could be true in some cases, but not always; besides, if you were totally right, I'd rather be mad and glad than sane and sad!

Odd that you don't offer the alternative, glad and sane, which is usually the one most often chosen.

I know the spiritual realm is real in my heart, mind and soul. instead of being such a doubting Thomas, why don't you ask God to show you. Jesus said ask and you'll receive?

No, you don't know God, Jesus and the spiritual realm exist, you've been indoctrinated to believe they do.

[Burninglight]

This could be true in some cases, but not always; besides, if you were totally right, I'd rather be mad and glad than sane and sad!

Odd that you don't offer the alternative, glad and sane, which is usually the one most often chosen.

I know the spiritual realm is real in my heart, mind and soul. instead of being such a doubting Thomas, why don't you ask God to show you. Jesus said ask and you'll receive?

No, you don't know God, Jesus and the spiritual realm exist, you've been indoctrinated to believe they do

The only reason I said I'd rather be mad and glad than sane and sad is because you leave me no alternative to be sane and happy when you tell me my personal experiences are not true.

You are stepping out of your space into mine by saying that. Do you realize that?

BTW, Have you asked? If not, why? Are you afraid of getting an answer that even you cannot deny?

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "No, Islam does not say to throw battery acid on women's faces considering battery acid never existed 1400 years ago. Perhaps, you can show why Muslim men are compelled to commit such heinous acts against their wives?"

ANSWER: I'm glad you have accepted that this is not part of Islam lol, I'm not sure I can't tell you what causes someone to commit such a crime. 

QUOTE: "You are free to say that, but that doesn't explain why Muslim men throw battery acid in their wives faces"

ANSWER: I cant explain that to you cause it has nothing to do with Islam, I cannot go into the minds of criminals and figure out the reason for the actions, but I can tell you why rape so wide spread and why Muslims are being killed.

QUOTE: "Simple, there are no such thing as miracles. Obviously, he was a liar and a fraud"

ANSWER: The question was what makes you think this? Are your parents Atheist??

QUOTE: "So what? None of that shows he spoke with an angel or that a religion was revealed to him"

ANSWER:  Of course it does. We are talking about his life documented. 

QUOTE: "I don't know for sure, but you also don't know if God does exist, we have to go by the evidence available, and there is none."

ANSWER: We know God exists, there is plenty of evidence for this - go have a read my thread "why did God create us"

[Burninglight]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "No, Islam does not say to throw battery acid on women's faces considering battery acid never existed 1400 years ago. Perhaps, you can show why Muslim men are compelled to commit such heinous acts against their wives?"

ANSWER: I'm glad you have accepted that this is not part of Islam lol, I'm not sure I can't tell you what causes someone to commit such a crime. 

QUOTE: "You are free to say that, but that doesn't explain why Muslim men throw battery acid in their wives faces"

ANSWER: I cant explain that to you cause it has nothing to do with Islam, I cannot go into the minds of criminals and figure out the reason for the actions, but I can tell you why rape so wide spread and why Muslims are being killed.

QUOTE: "Simple, there are no such thing as miracles. Obviously, he was a liar and a fraud"

ANSWER: The question was what makes you think this? Are your parents Atheist??

QUOTE: "So what? None of that shows he spoke with an angel or that a religion was revealed to him"

ANSWER:  Of course it does. We are talking about his life documented. 

QUOTE: "I don't know for sure, but you also don't know if God does exist, we have to go by the evidence available, and there is none."

ANSWER: We know God exists, there is plenty of evidence for this - go have a read my thread "why did God create us"

You said you don't know why someone (Muslim men) would do that crime to a Muslim woman. Well it happens a lot. You should investigate. Jesus said a tree is know by it's fruit. Even though it is not written in the Qur'an, we know a tree by its fruit. a good tree can't bear bad fruit nor can a bad tree bear goode fruit. Islam is as it does and we know it by its fruit. We hear only the good you say but what we see and witness is another story.

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: I'm glad you have accepted that this is not part of Islam lol, I'm not sure I can't tell you what causes someone to commit such a crime. 

Because of the way women are taught to be treated by Muslim men.

ANSWER: The question was what makes you think this?

Reality, laws of nature and the fact Muhammad was a liar and a fraud.

ANSWER:  Of course it does. We are talking about his life documented.

Muhammad's documented life does not include him speaking with angels, he made that claim himself. There is no evidence to support that claim. 

ANSWER: We know God exists, there is plenty of evidence for this - go have a read my thread "why did God create us"

Please don't fabricate more lies, there is no evidence. Your thread does not have evidence, it has faith based indoctrinated beliefs, fabrications and magical thinking.