Did Allah start Christianty?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Wed May 30, 2012 3:51 pm

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:43 am

Burninglight wrote:
BTW, Have you asked? If not, why? Are you afraid of getting an answer that even you cannot deny?

No, because I'm not an indoctrinated believer who worships invisible sky daddies.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:51 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
BTW, Have you asked? If not, why? Are you afraid of getting an answer that even you cannot deny?
No, because I'm not an indoctrinated believer who worships invisible sky daddies.

You are not an indoctrinated believer; so, what kind of believer are you?

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:58 pm

Burninglight wrote:
You are not an indoctrinated believer; so, what kind of believer are you?

None at all.

Beliefs are indoctrinated, understanding is learned, beliefs are accepted without question, understanding is accepted as a result of questions, beliefs can be wrong but not rejected, understanding can be wrong and is usually corrected, beliefs can lead one to do bad things, understanding allows one to avoid doing bad things, beliefs are invisible, understanding is real.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:06 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
You are not an indoctrinated believer; so, what kind of believer are you?
None at all.

Beliefs are indoctrinated, understanding is learned, beliefs are accepted without question, understanding is accepted as a result of questions, beliefs can be wrong but not rejected, understanding can be wrong and is usually corrected, beliefs can lead one to do bad things, understanding allows one to avoid doing bad things, beliefs are invisible, understanding is real.

So you believe in understanding? Beliefs can lead people to do good things as well.

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:56 pm

Burninglight wrote:
So you believe in understanding? Beliefs can lead people to do good things as well.

No, I don't have a belief in understanding.

Why would one need to embrace beliefs in order to do good things? Is understanding to do good things not enough?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:07 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
So you believe in understanding? Beliefs can lead people to do good things as well.
No, I don't have a belief in understanding.

Why would one need to embrace beliefs in order to do good things? Is understanding to do good things not enough?

One doesn't have to belief in anything to do good works, but understanding and doing good works is not enough to be right with God. If it were, we wouldn't need God a all! The difference between us is you don't need God, but I do!

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:39 pm

Burninglight wrote:
One doesn't have to belief in anything to do good works, but understanding and doing good works is not enough to be right with God. If it were, we wouldn't need God a all! The difference between us is you don't need God, but I do!

No, the difference is that you've been indoctrinated to believe you need God.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:18 pm

A Troubled Man wrote:
Burninglight wrote:
One doesn't have to belief in anything to do good works, but understanding and doing good works is not enough to be right with God. If it were, we wouldn't need God a all! The difference between us is you don't need God, but I do!
No, the difference is that you've been indoctrinated to believe you need God.

Who says indoctrination is wrong? In life there are absolutes!

A Troubled Man · Post by **A Troubled Man** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:26 pm

Burninglight wrote:
Who says indoctrination is wrong?

The intellect, which is destroyed with indoctrination.

In life there are absolutes!

So what?

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:43 pm

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "Because of the way women are taught to be treated by Muslim men"

ANSWER: What do you mean? It's the girls fault she gets acid thrown in her face?

QUOTE: "Reality, laws of nature and the fact Muhammad was a liar and a fraud"

ANSWER: Reality points to a Creator, have you any evidence for this??

QUOTE: "Muhammad's documented life does not include him speaking with angels, he made that claim himself. There is no evidence to support that claim"

ANSWER: I would call it receiving revelations, Yes it does, have you read the biography of Muhammad (peace be upon him)? This is not true, as I said there are plenty of authentic narrations regarding the Angel Gabriel.

QUOTE: "Please don't fabricate more lies, there is no evidence. Your thread does not have evidence, it has faith based indoctrinated beliefs, fabrications and magical thinking"

ANSWER: Nice Try!Â

You can continue to deny God all you want, but one day will come when you will not be able to do so any longer. LolÂ