Is Allah in the Quran the same God of the Bible?

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:51 am

Allah is the best deceiver Surah 3:54. If believing Jesus is the Son of God is shirk, then why would Allah want deceive resulting in billions of people through the centuries that Jesus died and rose? The God of the Bible doesnt scheme and deceive like Allah. Christians know that Satan doesnt want people to know Jesus saves so he can claim them for hell forever. If Muslims reject the son of God they will not be able to negotiate their position with The God of Isaac and Jacob from where all prophets come NOT Ishmael Gen. 21:12.
Let me paraphrase my confusion & questions about Islam: Is Muhammad really Allah or is Allah really Satan impersonating God Almighty or was a demon impersonating Gabriel? The reason I ask this is bcz the Quran says that Allah is the greatest deceiver 3:54 & he proves this by saying he made it look as if Jesus died & rose by using another person to die in Jesus' place which is another form of sacrifice to accomplish Allah's deceptions. Was Allah & Muhammad really scheming is to trick the world into believing that Jesus Christ didn't die for our sin so we would trust our own works & go to hell without hope?
Even Satan accused Allah of deceiving him and for that he wants to deceive the world. Even Abu Bakr said he wouldn't trust the Makr of Allah if he had one foot in paradise and one on earth. Doesn't the Quran state that no one is safe from the Makr of Allah save those that perish??? Why would I want to be a slave to Allah when I can be free in Christ my Creator?

It is written in the Bible that all things were made by Him (Jesus) for Him and through Him. It is even recorded that Jesus created life in the Quran by breathing life into a sculpture of a bird; only God can create life from a lifeless object!!!

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:11 pm

Peace be upon you;

The Bible is the book without hersey or contradictions.

What about that:
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. (Luke 3:22)
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37)

You don't have the original Quran. Uthman tampered with it. You are going against the Quran and Muhammad. Allah said he sent the torah and the injeel, and it was meant to be believed and respected. Muhammad never came against the torah or the gospels either. The Bible is what God gave us.

God gave you the torah and the injeel and what did you do to it:
Did not Moses give you the law? and yet none of you keepeth the law, Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19)

It is not logical for God to leave the people with corrupted Scripture

When the Torah was corrupted he has sent the Injeel, and when the injeel got corrupted he has sent the Qur'an;
He has not left you with your corruption; It is you who still want to rely on this corrupted book;

when He states His word is established forever and preserved in heaven and Jesus prayed God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Then it is not logical to ask that "God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven" if it was already the case: then conclusion "His word is established forever and preserved in heaven" was not preserved on earth until the Qur'an came;

You don't believe Jesus or Muhammad. Look at what happen to Deedat. He tells how he honors Jesus for about 10 seconds and spends hours cutting Him down as portrayed in the Bible. Look at Deedat's demise on youtube. God silenced his blasphemy for 9 years before he died and during that time he was able to see the bloody trail he left behind as he entered the hereafter

Before looking at modern people, look at what happens to the people who invented christianity: Ex Paul "the Apostle" who was beheaded;

Peace be upon you all;

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:27 pm

Asher wrote: Peace be upon you;
The Bible is the book without hersey or contradictions.
What about that:
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. (Luke 3:22)
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37)

You don't have the original Quran. Uthman tampered with it. You are going against the Quran and Muhammad. Allah said he sent the torah and the injeel, and it was meant to be believed and respected. Muhammad never came against the torah or the gospels either. The Bible is what God gave us.
God gave you the torah and the injeel and what did you do to it:
Did not Moses give you the law? and yet none of you keepeth the law, Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19)

It is not logical for God to leave the people with corrupted Scripture
When the Torah was corrupted he has sent the Injeel, and when the injeel got corrupted he has sent the Qur'an;
He has not left you with your corruption; It is you who still want to rely on this corrupted book;

when He states His word is established forever and preserved in heaven and Jesus prayed God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Then it is not logical to ask that "God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven" if it was already the case: then conclusion "His word is established forever and preserved in heaven" was not preserved on earth until the Qur'an came;

You don't believe Jesus or Muhammad. Look at what happen to Deedat. He tells how he honors Jesus for about 10 seconds and spends hours cutting Him down as portrayed in the Bible. Look at Deedat's demise on youtube. God silenced his blasphemy for 9 years before he died and during that time he was able to see the bloody trail he left behind as he entered the hereafter
Before looking at modern people, look at what happens to the people who invented christianity: Ex Paul "the Apostle" who was beheaded;

Peace be upon you all;

Did not Moses give you the law? and yet none of you keepeth the law, Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19)

What do you think this means? You can have the law of Moses and not keep it.

The same Torah Moses wrote and injeel (Gospels) of the Christians is still the same as it was when Muhammad was around. What do you think happened to it? Please don't give me what you have been programed to say and/or what was not said by Muhammad.

There is no way God is going to allow people to have a corrupted word for over a 1000 years until a 7th century unlearned person who didn't claim to be a prophet can set us straight. It is just not even logical. We might as well believe Joseph Smith who did the same as Muhammad to a smaller scale lol

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:37 pm

If the Bible is not of God; then, there is no God, and the atheists were right and the Quran has nothing to stand one without the torah and the gospels and that is not tos ay i believe it stands now

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:27 pm

Peace be upon you;

If the Bible is not of God; then, there is no God, and the atheists were right and the Quran has nothing to stand one without the torah and the gospels and that is not tos ay i believe it stands now

If the Qur'an have ever been in need of the Bible to stand, God would have attached 1 bible to it;
The Qur'an is the final revelation from God almighty, it contains signs which science agrees on;
Now I'll ask you the question which you asked me before: Would you reject science rather than believing in the Qur'an?

Peace be upon you all;

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:50 pm

Asher wrote: Peace be upon you;

If the Bible is not of God; then, there is no God, and the atheists were right and the Quran has nothing to stand on without the torah and the gospels and that is not to say i believe it stands now
If the Qur'an have ever been in need of the Bible to stand, God would have attached 1 bible to it;
The Qur'an is the final revelation from God almighty, it contains signs which science agrees on;
Now I'll ask you the question which you asked me before: Would you reject science rather than believing in the Qur'an?

Peace be upon you all;

The answer is I would accept science before the Quran, because Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. There other copied science claims about the Quran, but for now my question to you is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology as being original science coming from the Koran first? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed in print or that was new or unique to the Quran?

I change my mind. We agree that the Quran stands alone without the Bible; It actually has nothing to do with the Bible. I can agree with you on that and even go as far to say that the Jesus and God in the Bible a not the same as the one in the Quran. So it does stand alone completely!

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:10 am

The answer is I would accept science before the Quran, because Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. There other copied science claims about the Quran, but for now my question to you is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology as being original science coming from the Koran first?

I have already refute this argument on an other post(you have also proposed to "retract the argument on Embryology");
And I will again refute it if you give evidence to me;
You most of the time bring argument without proofs then why should I believe you? I don't trust you that much;

If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed in print or that was new or unique to the Quran?

Bring forth proofs and I'll show you the differences;

I change my mind. We agree that the Quran stands alone without the Bible; It actually has nothing to do with the Bible. I can agree with you on that and even go as far to say that the Jesus and God in the Bible a not the same as the one in the Quran. So it does stand alone completely!

Then you are living in a dream; But as you said "whatever goes against the bible is not the bible";
Though the "bible" goes against itself;

Peace be upon you all;

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:05 pm

Asher wrote:
The answer is I would accept science before the Quran, because Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. There other copied science claims about the Quran, but for now my question to you is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology as being original science coming from the Koran first?
I have already refute this argument on an other post(you have also proposed to "retract the argument on Embryology");
And I will again refute it if you give evidence to me;
You most of the time bring argument without proofs then why should I believe you? I don't trust you that much;

If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed in print or that was new or unique to the Quran?
Bring forth proofs and I'll show you the differences;

I change my mind. We agree that the Quran stands alone without the Bible; It actually has nothing to do with the Bible. I can agree with you on that and even go as far to say that the Jesus and God in the Bible a not the same as the one in the Quran. So it does stand alone completely!
Then you are living in a dream; But as you said "whatever goes against the bible is not the bible";
Though the "bible" goes against itself;

Peace be upon you all;

The Bible does not go against itself like the Quran does: You might quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah's Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James version. My question is: Even if this were true, (which of course it is not), how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James version was translated or any other Bible for that matter?

Finally, As I mentioned, Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, "man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". This parrots the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317) I don't remember our dailogue on this; so, my new question to you is: Are you rejecting modern science to believe the Koran that states sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man's body. lol
PBUY

Pazuzu bin Hanbi · Post by **Pazuzu bin Hanbi** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:26 pm

^ The sequence for embryonic formation in the quran is out of whack too.

Burninglight · Post by **Burninglight** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:33 pm

Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote: ^ The sequence for embryonic formation in the quran is out of whack too.

Yes it is, and that is just the tip of the iceberg of problems with the Quran

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:58 pm

The Bible does not go against itself like the Quran does: You might quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah's Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James version.

Is this translation error?
Day 1:
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Genesis 1:3)
Day 3:
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)
Day 4:
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: (Genesis 1:14)
So I'm asking how can translation error made the bible say that:
God made light on the 1st day and the Source of light on the 4th day?
Life exist (especially trees) without the sun?

If the Qur'an goes against itself why haven't you been able to bring proof?

My question is: Even if this were true, (which of course it is not), how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James version was translated or any other Bible for that matter?

Then explain to me how translation mistakes can lead to unscientific facts?

Finally, As I mentioned, Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, "man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". This parrots the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317) I don't remember our dailogue on this; so, my new question to you is: Are you rejecting modern science to believe the Koran that states sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man's body. lol

This is very close to the argument you brought on the other thread:
Is your brain in your mid-gut?
You are just trying to tell thing that do not exist, if he had copied he would have said the same thing (sperms originated from the brain);
On the contrary an embryo's genitals is found between the backbone and the ribs, which is exactly as the Qur'an mention;
Now I would like you to answer my questions about translation if you are able of course;

Peace be upon you all;