Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction
2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logic?
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Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logic?
Post #1Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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Post #31More importantly, if the Bible contains foreknowledge that a human writer is incapable of producing alone, there must be a supernatural source or influence providing the information?
That's the brunt of the argument(s):
If the Bible possesses a certain quality (quality X), then it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source.
That's the brunt of the argument(s):
If the Bible possesses a certain quality (quality X), then it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source.
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Post #32jimvansage wrote: I have 100 boxes. You open fifty of them and find that the other fifty are locked.
How can you determine if the fifty locked boxes are empty or contain something?
Weigh them, and shake them are two methods.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Re: Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by log
Post #33The only 'divinations' from the divine authorship that got in some versions of the Bible are words like 'Easter',McCulloch wrote:Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction
2. The Bible is God's Word*
Acts 12:4
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
KJV
and the words; "there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" to support Constantines New Gentile Christian religions Trinity, the three in one gods.
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
KJV
Other than that, the Bible is inspired by Gods Holy Spirit, and is revealed to those who walk according to the Spirit.
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Post #34Could you be more specific? Like that birds and whales were created before reptiles and insects; Humans could live over 800 years; hares chew cud; leprosy is caused by the wrath of God; ostriches abandon their eggs; when God gets really angry, he causes earthquakes or floods; ...jimvansage wrote: More importantly, if the Bible contains foreknowledge that a human writer is incapable of producing alone, there must be a supernatural source or influence providing the information?
That's the brunt of the argument(s):
If the Bible possesses a certain quality (quality X), then it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
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Re: Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by log
Post #35Thank you for simply asserting that which needs to be demonstrated. Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?arian wrote: [T]he Bible is inspired by Gods Holy Spirit, and is revealed to those who walk according to the Spirit.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
Re: Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by log
Post #36None of this is evidence. It's just hearsay and what people think they experienced. Wishful thinking and the placebo effect can be confusing and strong sensations, but they should not be confused for 'the spirit world' or 'god' because there are no such entities.Moses Yoder wrote:I am not going to argue this point in this thread, or maybe in any thread. I believe their is plenty of evidence for the spirit world. I think Wiccans do as well. If you go to Amazon and do a search in books for "Life after Death" or "Out of Body Experiences" or "Near Death Experiences" you will find lots of evidence. I once read a book about meditating in such a fashion that your spirit leaves your body and it didn't take me long to get so freaked out when doing this that I quit. I also experienced this when training my mind to work like a computer. It seems to me there is something more than atoms in there.Haven wrote:This statement begs the question against those of us who disbelieve in the "spirit world." Why believe such a thing exists, especially considering there is no evidence for its existence?[color=red]Moses Yoder[/color] wrote: Since we cannot see the spirit world . . .
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Re: foreknowledge
Post #38Right, that is the topic. The bible doesn't contain any aforeknowledge at all. What would you claim as aforeknowledge?jimvansage wrote: More importantly, if the Bible contains foreknowledge that a human writer is incapable of producing alone, there must be a supernatural source or influence providing the information?
That's the brunt of the argument(s):
If the Bible possesses a certain quality (quality X), then it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source.
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Post #39Nickman wrote:Right, that is the topic. The bible doesn't contain any aforeknowledge at all. What would you claim as aforeknowledge?jimvansage wrote: More importantly, if the Bible contains foreknowledge that a human writer is incapable of producing alone, there must be a supernatural source or influence providing the information?
That's the brunt of the argument(s):
If the Bible possesses a certain quality (quality X), then it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source.
I love these type of nonsensical arguments that christians make about the bible. A certain quality? So it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source? This is absurd. It doesn't have a certain quality. It's just a book. A hatred one at that.
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Post #40I agree, Jim here claims there is a quality (X) yet does not provide said quality. The Enuma Elish could be considered inspired on these terms since it has a certain quality to it too. When the quality is not explained then that could mean any quality. The bible contains no qualities that can only be explained by a supernatural source.PREEST wrote:Nickman wrote:Right, that is the topic. The bible doesn't contain any aforeknowledge at all. What would you claim as aforeknowledge?jimvansage wrote: More importantly, if the Bible contains foreknowledge that a human writer is incapable of producing alone, there must be a supernatural source or influence providing the information?
That's the brunt of the argument(s):
If the Bible possesses a certain quality (quality X), then it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source.
I love these type of nonsensical arguments that christians make about the bible. A certain quality? So it must owe it's origin to a supernatural source? This is absurd. It doesn't have a certain quality. It's just a book. A hatred one at that.