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Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logic?

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jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?
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McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?

Though Word of God is perfect truth via the spirit of truth, The bible is severely lacking the standard for perfect truth. The bible gospels fail to illustrate Jesus being chosen by the people on the tenth day and killed 4 days later. They attempt to portray Jesus alive on 15 Nissan only to die on 16 Nissan. The Chronologial order of events for the life of Jesus are all mixed up when bible gospels are cross compared. In short, the bible gospels do not speak according to the law and testiomony Jesus claimed to fulfill.

The Christian bible can be claimed to be WORD of God, But the person making the claim is lying and has yet to know God to receive word of God (perfect truth) from God.

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McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?

Word of God as it was actually spoken and correctly recorded can be proven perfect, for truth will bare witness to truth. The perfection of what was spoken and correctly recorded is able to expose the lies interjected by Christians into the historical record, which lacks the inspiration of the spirit of truth. Take the below examples into consideration.

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todd_vetter33 wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?

Though Word of God is perfect truth via the spirit of truth, The bible is severely lacking the standard for perfect truth. The bible gospels fail to illustrate Jesus being chosen by the people on the tenth day and killed 4 days later. They attempt to portray Jesus alive on 15 Nissan only to die on 16 Nissan. The Chronologial order of events for the life of Jesus are all mixed up when bible gospels are cross compared. In short, the bible gospels do not speak according to the law and testiomony Jesus claimed to fulfill.
Can you show that is true?? Please, show me some tangible evidence (not testimony), taht 'the word of God is perfect truth'>





The Christian bible can be claimed to be WORD of God, But the person making the claim is lying and has yet to know God to receive word of God (perfect truth) from God.

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“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Goat wrote:
todd_vetter33 wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?

Though Word of God is perfect truth via the spirit of truth, The bible is severely lacking the standard for perfect truth. The bible gospels fail to illustrate Jesus being chosen by the people on the tenth day and killed 4 days later. They attempt to portray Jesus alive on 15 Nissan only to die on 16 Nissan. The Chronologial order of events for the life of Jesus are all mixed up when bible gospels are cross compared. In short, the bible gospels do not speak according to the law and testiomony Jesus claimed to fulfill.
Can you show that is true?? Please, show me some tangible evidence (not testimony), taht 'the word of God is perfect truth'>





The Christian bible can be claimed to be WORD of God, But the person making the claim is lying and has yet to know God to receive word of God (perfect truth) from God.

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I shared with you word of God (truth) concerning the discrepancies and errors that can be found in the Christian bible NT in the Picture images shared. If you want to touch them, print them out and put them in your hands.

If you want other perfect truth from God (Scripture) that you can touch, simply enjoy eating of the fruits and grains of the earth which exist by word of God for you to eat.

For others, enjoy the picture illustrations of the actual location where the children of Israel crossed the sea and some of the other physical locations mentioned in the Exodus account as seen from google earth.

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todd_vetter33 wrote:

I shared with you word of God (truth) concerning the discrepancies and errors that can be found in the Christian bible NT in the Picture images shared. If you want to touch them, print them out and put them in your hands.
Please provide evidence that what you claim is the 'Word of God(truth), is true, and the word of God. Show me that the NT is 'the word of god'. Prove it. Support your claim. .
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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"Can you show that is true?? Please, show me some tangible evidence (not testimony), that 'the word of God is perfect truth"

If credible testimony supported by history is not evidence, then what is?
How is a path in the Red Sea and a split rock not evidence of the testimony of Exodus?

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From Post 74:
todd_vetter33 wrote: I shared with you word of God (truth) concerning the discrepancies and errors that can be found in the Christian bible NT in the Picture images shared.
You shared nothing but pictures of biblical passages, and nothing by which these passages can be confirmed as truth.
todd_vetter33 wrote: If you want other perfect truth from God (Scripture) that you can touch, simply enjoy eating of the fruits and grains of the earth which exist by word of God for you to eat.
Empty platitude I contend is an attempt to sound wisened, while confirming you're anything but.
todd_vetter33 wrote: For others, enjoy the picture illustrations of the actual location where the children of Israel crossed the sea and some of the other physical locations mentioned in the Exodus account as seen from google earth.
I s'pose "actual" to one is "a best guess" to another.

You do nothing to support your claims but point to pictures as if these are to be considered authoritative.

Farcisitude in action.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 74:
todd_vetter33 wrote: I shared with you word of God (truth) concerning the discrepancies and errors that can be found in the Christian bible NT in the Picture images shared.
You shared nothing but pictures of biblical passages, and nothing by which these passages can be confirmed as truth.
todd_vetter33 wrote: If you want other perfect truth from God (Scripture) that you can touch, simply enjoy eating of the fruits and grains of the earth which exist by word of God for you to eat.
Empty platitude I contend is an attempt to sound wisened, while confirming you're anything but.
todd_vetter33 wrote: For others, enjoy the picture illustrations of the actual location where the children of Israel crossed the sea and some of the other physical locations mentioned in the Exodus account as seen from google earth.
I s'pose "actual" to one is "a best guess" to another.

You do nothing to support your claims but point to pictures as if these are to be considered authoritative.

Farcisitude in action
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So pointing to million year old cave paintings to 'prove' some Evolution of humans be less of a farcisitude?

How about a 'scientific claim' of a tiny rock/string/gravitation (pick your choice) popping out of nothing 13.75 years ago that evolved all the suns and planets we see in space today including the life here on earth for absolutely no reason, no plan? Would you consider such 'makebelieve-scientific data' (science-which means observing the world around us, not creating scientific data of assumed hypothesis and fairy-tales that might of happened long, ... long, ... long time ago, billions of years before any scientist was even around?) be a better and more valid support for 'science' to 'prove' God does not exist so neither did Moses?

You cannot even start to compare the two, the Bible is history of the creation of the universe, earth and man and answers as to who we are, where did we come from why we are here and where we are going, ... of which Evolutionary myths answer none of, unless these following answers are sufficient for you?

Q. "Why are we here?"

Evolution: "It happened, ... OK?"

Q. "Where did we come from?"

Evolution: "From a speck turned bacteria"

Q. "Where are we going?"

Evolution: "Evolving back to a speck and then back to the nothing we popped out of"

Q. "What do you think of a Book called the Bible??"

Evolution: "The contents of the Bible were created by man (yet claims man was not created), all made up of lies (yet asks; what is truth?), tribal myths and fairytales that has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution (yet it describes evolving tribes and myths) which proves that 'no one', and 'nothing' was involved in some 'plan' to bring the universe, the earth and biological life into existence!"

I don't know about you, but the Bible I can stand on, build my house on, raise my kids on, builds me faith to believe in that I can put my hope in, reveals absolute truths which gives me the reason to fight for ... and even die for. I also know that truth never dies, so if I give up this body for the truth, I will be resurrected to live in Truth that never can pass away.

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stubbornone wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

2. The Bible is God's Word*
Can the Bible's divine authorship be demonstrated by logical deduction?
The Author's of the Bible, at least the New Testament, are well known. The Apostolic Gospels are written by Matthew, Mark, Luke. Then there are the Pauline Epistles, written by Paul, and even Revelations, written by John of Patmos.

Given that these are well known claims by those knowledgeable of the Bible, I am left wondering what specifically you are asking about regarding the authorship of the Bible?
Please show how you know who the authors of the gospels are. This will be ground breaking because until you show us, this has been unknown to scholars. They will need to see your evidence as well. I also can't wait to see your evidence. Thank you.

You also have claimed elsewhere that the Bible says Jesus will be born of a virgin. I asked for that proof as well and am still waiting.

Will you back up your claims, or be honorable and retract them if you can't?
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So pointing to million year old cave paintings to 'prove' some Evolution of humans be less of a farcisitude?
Strawman. No one claims that cave paintings 'prove' evolution.
How about a 'scientific claim' of a tiny rock/string/gravitation (pick your choice) popping out of nothing 13.75 years ago that evolved all the suns and planets we see in space today including the life here on earth for absolutely no reason, no plan? Would you consider such 'makebelieve-scientific data' (science-which means observing the world around us, not creating scientific data of assumed hypothesis and fairy-tales that might of happened long, ... long, ... long time ago, billions of years before any scientist was even around?) be a better and more valid support for 'science' to 'prove' God does not exist so neither did Moses?
Please start a new thread if you would like to discuss this.
You cannot even start to compare the two, the Bible is history of the creation of the universe, earth and man and answers as to who we are,
Can you provide evidence for this claim, or will you admit that you cannot prove that the Bible is a history of the creation of the universe and only brought it up because it is your opinion?
Where did we come from why we are here and where we are going, ... of which Evolutionary myths answer none of, unless these following answers are sufficient for you?
I think it is apparent that you really, really want answers to these questions. Like I have said for years. Religions answer these questions. So if you are a person that needs answers to these questios, use faith, and pick a religion to follow. Just about any will do and your needs about being here have been met. No need to thank me.
Evolution: "The contents of the Bible were created by man (yet claims man was not created), all made up of lies (yet asks; what is truth?), tribal myths and fairytales that has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution (yet it describes evolving tribes and myths) which proves that 'no one', and 'nothing' was involved in some 'plan' to bring the universe, the earth and biological life into existence!"
Please study evolution. What you seem to think it is... is way off. Evolution does not care about your Bible stories and the theory was not created to disprove any god concept.
I don't know about you, but the Bible I can stand on, build my house on, raise my kids on, builds me faith to believe in that I can put my hope in, reveals absolute truths which gives me the reason to fight for ... and even die for. I also know that truth never dies, so if I give up this body for the truth, I will be resurrected to live in Truth that never can pass away.
Very fanciful claim. I'll leave you with it because it is a totally emotional claim and won't bother asking for evidence for this one knowing such to be the case.

I would suggest that you use less emotion and more logical thinking to arrive at your opinions, but if emotion fits you better... than so be it I guess.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco

If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb

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