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Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God

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jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?
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moment_of_faith wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?
I say take it from a demon

Mark 1:23 Suddenly, a man in the synagogue who was possessed by an evil[h] spirit began shouting, 24 Why are you interfering with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

25 Jesus cut him short. Be quiet! Come out of the man, he ordered. 26 At that, the evil spirit screamed, threw the man into a convulsion, and then came out of him.

Is that a 'logical deduction' from that?? How?? Can that be shown to be more than just a story, and how that show anything logical?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?
I say take it from a demon

Mark 1:23 Suddenly, a man in the synagogue who was possessed by an evil[h] spirit began shouting, 24 Why are you interfering with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

25 Jesus cut him short. Be quiet! Come out of the man, he ordered. 26 At that, the evil spirit screamed, threw the man into a convulsion, and then came out of him.

Or . . . maybe I already have a demon and don't know it. Could be. That would explain a lot. But if I do have a demon, he isn't able to get me to say
"I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

Crafty, my demon. :D
I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it

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moment_of_faith wrote:
Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?
I say take it from a demon

Mark 1:23 Suddenly, a man in the synagogue who was possessed by an evil[h] spirit began shouting, 24 Why are you interfering with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

25 Jesus cut him short. Be quiet! Come out of the man, he ordered. 26 At that, the evil spirit screamed, threw the man into a convulsion, and then came out of him.

Or . . . maybe I already have a demon and don't know it. Could be. That would explain a lot. But if I do have a demon, he isn't able to get me to say
"I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

Crafty, my demon. :D
I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it
You left off the most important part of my post, that even if there really were demons, they could not be trusted.

And you are also wrong on whether I have seen Jesus.

I was alone on a boat at anchor in a quiet cove. I had been contemplating Jesus as no more nor less divine than any other human being, and considering that he could be a Zen master, with his parables likened to zen koans. Jesus came on the boat, climbed down the companionway, smiled at me and said, "You are an the right track. Keep it up."

So I have seen Jesus and he told me you are wrong about him. :D

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moment_of_faith wrote:
Danmark wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
jimvansage wrote: I believe that the following facets of my faith can be demonstrated by logical deduction

3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Can Jesus Christ can be shown to be the Son of God by logical deduction?
I say take it from a demon

Mark 1:23 Suddenly, a man in the synagogue who was possessed by an evil[h] spirit began shouting, 24 Why are you interfering with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

25 Jesus cut him short. Be quiet! Come out of the man, he ordered. 26 At that, the evil spirit screamed, threw the man into a convulsion, and then came out of him.

Or . . . maybe I already have a demon and don't know it. Could be. That would explain a lot. But if I do have a demon, he isn't able to get me to say
"I know who you are"the Holy One of God!

Crafty, my demon. :D
I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it
I would truly like to know why so many self-professed christians (and yes it IS self professed) claim to "know" what others have or have not seen or witnessed.

All I see is a narcissistic display of arrogance, based on what they have read and their individual "take" AS to what they have read, from a book, where like it or not, the Jesus of Nazareth character HIMSELF never wrote a THING.

Now, IF you can come up with a "gospel according to jesus" you MAY have a starting point. There however ISN'T! So, just WHAT is your self-professed.. and yes self-serving "faith" based on?

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moment_of_faith wrote: I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it
And yet two thousand years have passed and everyone who lived two thousand years ago has remained quite reliably dead, as all dead people the world over invariably do without exception. The centerpiece of your entire religious belief is the claim that a corpse became reanimated and ultimately flew away and disappeared into the clouds. Do you not see even the slightest cause for skepticism in any of this at all?

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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it
And yet two thousand years have passed and everyone who lived two thousand years ago has remained quite reliably dead, as all dead people the world over invariably do without exception. The centerpiece of your entire religious belief is the claim that a corpse became reanimated and ultimately flew away and disappeared into the clouds. Do you not see even the slightest cause for skepticism in any of this at all?
:D good point. 'A generation*' has become 2000 years.

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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it
And yet two thousand years have passed and everyone who lived two thousand years ago has remained quite reliably dead, as all dead people the world over invariably do without exception. The centerpiece of your entire religious belief is the claim that a corpse became reanimated and ultimately flew away and disappeared into the clouds. Do you not see even the slightest cause for skepticism in any of this at all?
2 Peter 3:3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. 4 They will say, What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.

5 They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth out from the water and surrounded it with water. 6 Then he used the water to destroy the ancient world with a mighty flood. 7 And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.

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moment_of_faith wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
moment_of_faith wrote: I don't believe you have even seen GOD / JESUS yet, but you will. Jesus promised it
And yet two thousand years have passed and everyone who lived two thousand years ago has remained quite reliably dead, as all dead people the world over invariably do without exception. The centerpiece of your entire religious belief is the claim that a corpse became reanimated and ultimately flew away and disappeared into the clouds. Do you not see even the slightest cause for skepticism in any of this at all?
2 Peter 3:3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. 4 They will say, What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.

5 They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth out from the water and surrounded it with water. 6 Then he used the water to destroy the ancient world with a mighty flood. 7 And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.
Check the rules for this forum. Simply quoting scripture counts for nothing here. Zero. Nada. Zip.

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So the one with the most points WIN? I'm not trying to win. I'm just asking questions and my next one is do you see a scoffer? Do you see anyone playing the same card the lord told us would be played.

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moment_of_faith wrote: So the one with the most points WIN? I'm not trying to win. I'm just asking questions and my next one is do you see a scoffer? Do you see anyone playing the same card the lord told us would be played.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Points? What points? Card playing?
The Lord played cards? Your last post consisted of two Bible verses. That's all. Bible verses alone do not an argument make. Just state whatever it is you want to say and back it up with logical statements that tend to prove your main point.

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