The Real Problem of Christian Theology

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The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.

The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God. If you actually believe this, what is the best thing you can do to a person?

I would have to draw a conclusion that the best thing that can happen to a baby is to die painlessly. Surely this life is full of great experiences, but nothing that heaven couldn't top?

[Goat]

Yeshua, my friend, is the Jewish Messiah the one who Moses spoke of. He's the Servant of Isaiah, the Son of David, the King of the Jews. Yeshua loves Israel.

I bet your pardon, but Jesus does not meet the requirements for the Jewish Messiah. For one, there wasn't an extended period of peace that was ushered in by him, nor is a new KINGDOM of Israel.. and all the Jews in the world have not gone back to Israel.

Those deeds are left undone, and it is by the DEEDS completed that the Jewish messiah will be recognized.

I see your point. It would be difficult to take a stance by documenting a defense for Yeshua's claims in a post. I would like to point out the fact that only in our times has the church seen large numbers of Jews coming to faith in Yeshua in large numbers as they did in the first century.
This is significant because for 1900 years the church has lacked the Jewish perspective. Until now. Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum is a world renown scholar who has written bible commentaries that give the best argument for the case made by Yeshua. As a student of both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament, Israel has become the focal point of my faith in Jesus. It was the teaching of Yeshua and the Jewish apostles that the restoration of Israel and the institution of kingdom was put off due to the national rejection by Israel of Yeshua's messiaship in Mathew 12. For the first century Jews who accepted Yeshua, that rejection resulted in the physical judgment of AD 70, and it was limited to the generation of Jesus's day and not passed on to future generations. According to the New Testament, the second coming will result in the national salvation of Israel. I feel your pain brother, may I only suggest that if you were to entertain the Gospels for personal reference and familiarity, that you would include Fruchtenbaum's works?
Btw British PM listed as one of the top ten most important books he'd ever read: "Jesus was a Jew" By Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Aloha,
Michael

Uh.. Mr Rruchtenbaum has a horrible Jewish education. He supposedly got it all by the time he moved ot NYC at the time he was 8, and converted to CHristiantiy at 13..


Oh yes.. a 'messianic Jew', that converted when he was 13. (I looked him up.)

His Jewish education is strongly lacking, and his quotes are out of context.. and highly selective. This is a very dishonest tactic that evangelists use to lie about what the Jewish scriptures say, and what the Talmud says.

[Intojoy]

The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.

The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God.

The problem of evil/pain aside, I cannot accept that the purpose of life is to know 'god', or have a relationship with him. Even if one accepts the idea of a personal god, the idea of simply knowing 'him' seems rather thin an empty.

Of course, I have to admit I haven't come up with much as a substitute, except . . .
Find your own purpose in life. Whatever that may be, it has to be superior to simply knowing someone else.

The Bible does not give much direction, except to worship god. Why? Why should a creator god, all and in all, master of the universe give two hoots about what his creatures think?

I don't see this as any more fulfilling than that we are simply minor, but our own, agents in a mechanistic universe of chaos. In fact, I prefer that latter. At least this is our own, instead of some servile obeisance to some supposed and silent god.

That which was in the beginning and has evolved to become who you are, is the only God with whom you can have a personal relationship.

He, the living ancestral mind=spirit, who dwells behind the veil of the flesh in the innermost sanctuary of his temporary tent/tabernacle which is your body when it was born, before "YOU" the potential child to your ancestral spirit, and the controlling godhead to that body, who is developing from all the information that is gathered through the senses of that body, had even begun to develop, is the only spiritual Father and God, with whom you can experience a personal relationship.

He, who is connected to the very beginning by and unbroken genetic thread of life, who has never died and can never die, is "THE Father and God" to whom you can have a personal relationship with.

But first you must know "WHO YOU ARE" before you will be known by God "THE" Father, "WHO I AM."

You sound like Torquemada

[Intojoy]

Yeshua, my friend, is the Jewish Messiah the one who Moses spoke of. He's the Servant of Isaiah, the Son of David, the King of the Jews. Yeshua loves Israel.

I bet your pardon, but Jesus does not meet the requirements for the Jewish Messiah. For one, there wasn't an extended period of peace that was ushered in by him, nor is a new KINGDOM of Israel.. and all the Jews in the world have not gone back to Israel.

Those deeds are left undone, and it is by the DEEDS completed that the Jewish messiah will be recognized.

I see your point. It would be difficult to take a stance by documenting a defense for Yeshua's claims in a post. I would like to point out the fact that only in our times has the church seen large numbers of Jews coming to faith in Yeshua in large numbers as they did in the first century.
This is significant because for 1900 years the church has lacked the Jewish perspective. Until now. Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum is a world renown scholar who has written bible commentaries that give the best argument for the case made by Yeshua. As a student of both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament, Israel has become the focal point of my faith in Jesus. It was the teaching of Yeshua and the Jewish apostles that the restoration of Israel and the institution of kingdom was put off due to the national rejection by Israel of Yeshua's messiaship in Mathew 12. For the first century Jews who accepted Yeshua, that rejection resulted in the physical judgment of AD 70, and it was limited to the generation of Jesus's day and not passed on to future generations. According to the New Testament, the second coming will result in the national salvation of Israel. I feel your pain brother, may I only suggest that if you were to entertain the Gospels for personal reference and familiarity, that you would include Fruchtenbaum's works?
Btw British PM listed as one of the top ten most important books he'd ever read: "Jesus was a Jew" By Arnold Fruchtenbaum
Aloha,
Michael

Uh.. Mr Rruchtenbaum has a horrible Jewish education. He supposedly got it all by the time he moved ot NYC at the time he was 8, and converted to CHristiantiy at 13..


Oh yes.. a 'messianic Jew', that converted when he was 13. (I looked him up.)

His Jewish education is strongly lacking, and his quotes are out of context.. and highly selective. This is a very dishonest tactic that evangelists use to lie about what the Jewish scriptures say, and what the Talmud says.

It's either part of rabbinical historical documents or it isn't. I'm not a scholar so I will ask Dr Fruchtenbaum who is a scholar. He received his phd from NYU, his doctrinal thesis became a 1200 page book - Isrealology the Missing Link in Systematic Theology. You shouldn't feel threatend by this. Furthermore if the subject of first century Pharisaic Judaism was an evangelical tactic, why is it that no one on this forum has ever mentioned it? And why is it that billy Grahm or Chuck Smith and the rest of main stream Christianity has never heard of it?
The answer is because out of all of the thousands of seminary schools in America only two have majors in Jewish history - Dallas Theological Seminary and Moody Bible Institute. Like I said its either part of Rabbinical History or not. You should be very interested in this and if there is any truth to it. I'm glad you asked because I needed to answer this source for myself anyway. Never the less, we wouldn't be conversing if I wasn't such a slothful student, maybe Gd wants us both to examine this?
Shalom Brother

[The Tongue]

The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.

The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God.

The problem of evil/pain aside, I cannot accept that the purpose of life is to know 'god', or have a relationship with him. Even if one accepts the idea of a personal god, the idea of simply knowing 'him' seems rather thin an empty.

Of course, I have to admit I haven't come up with much as a substitute, except . . .
Find your own purpose in life. Whatever that may be, it has to be superior to simply knowing someone else.

The Bible does not give much direction, except to worship god. Why? Why should a creator god, all and in all, master of the universe give two hoots about what his creatures think?

I don't see this as any more fulfilling than that we are simply minor, but our own, agents in a mechanistic universe of chaos. In fact, I prefer that latter. At least this is our own, instead of some servile obeisance to some supposed and silent god.

That which was in the beginning and has evolved to become who you are, is the only God with whom you can have a personal relationship.

He, the living ancestral mind=spirit, who dwells behind the veil of the flesh in the innermost sanctuary of his temporary tent/tabernacle which is your body when it was born, before "YOU" the potential child to your ancestral spirit, and the controlling godhead to that body, who is developing from all the information that is gathered through the senses of that body, had even begun to develop, is the only spiritual Father and God, with whom you can experience a personal relationship.

He, who is connected to the very beginning by and unbroken genetic thread of life, who has never died and can never die, is "THE Father and God" to whom you can have a personal relationship with.

But first you must know "WHO YOU ARE" before you will be known by God "THE" Father, "WHO I AM."

You sound like Torquemada

Which one? Juan de Torquemada (cardinal) (1388–1468), Spanish cardinal and ecclesiastical writer, or Tomás de Torquemada (1420–1498), prominent leader of the Spanish Inquisition, or perhaps, Antonio de Torquemada (c. 1507-1569), Spanish writer, or could it be, Fray Juan de Torquemada (c. 1562–1624), Spanish friar, missionary and historian of the New World, but then again, you could be referring to Edward Powys Mathers (1892–1939) whose pseudonym was Torquemada, a British crossword setter.

You've got to clarify what you're talkin bout matey.

[Intojoy]

The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.

The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God.

The problem of evil/pain aside, I cannot accept that the purpose of life is to know 'god', or have a relationship with him. Even if one accepts the idea of a personal god, the idea of simply knowing 'him' seems rather thin an empty.

Of course, I have to admit I haven't come up with much as a substitute, except . . .
Find your own purpose in life. Whatever that may be, it has to be superior to simply knowing someone else.

The Bible does not give much direction, except to worship god. Why? Why should a creator god, all and in all, master of the universe give two hoots about what his creatures think?

I don't see this as any more fulfilling than that we are simply minor, but our own, agents in a mechanistic universe of chaos. In fact, I prefer that latter. At least this is our own, instead of some servile obeisance to some supposed and silent god.

That which was in the beginning and has evolved to become who you are, is the only God with whom you can have a personal relationship.

He, the living ancestral mind=spirit, who dwells behind the veil of the flesh in the innermost sanctuary of his temporary tent/tabernacle which is your body when it was born, before "YOU" the potential child to your ancestral spirit, and the controlling godhead to that body, who is developing from all the information that is gathered through the senses of that body, had even begun to develop, is the only spiritual Father and God, with whom you can experience a personal relationship.

He, who is connected to the very beginning by and unbroken genetic thread of life, who has never died and can never die, is "THE Father and God" to whom you can have a personal relationship with.

But first you must know "WHO YOU ARE" before you will be known by God "THE" Father, "WHO I AM."

You sound like Torquemada

Which one? Juan de Torquemada (cardinal) (1388–1468), Spanish cardinal and ecclesiastical writer, or Tomás de Torquemada (1420–1498), prominent leader of the Spanish Inquisition, or perhaps, Antonio de Torquemada (c. 1507-1569), Spanish writer, or could it be, Fray Juan de Torquemada (c. 1562–1624), Spanish friar, missionary and historian of the New World, but then again, you could be referring to Edward Powys Mathers (1892–1939) whose pseudonym was Torquemada, a British crossword setter.

You've got to clarify what you're talkin bout matey.

Do you hate Jews?

[The Tongue]

The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.

The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God.

The problem of evil/pain aside, I cannot accept that the purpose of life is to know 'god', or have a relationship with him. Even if one accepts the idea of a personal god, the idea of simply knowing 'him' seems rather thin an empty.

Of course, I have to admit I haven't come up with much as a substitute, except . . .
Find your own purpose in life. Whatever that may be, it has to be superior to simply knowing someone else.

The Bible does not give much direction, except to worship god. Why? Why should a creator god, all and in all, master of the universe give two hoots about what his creatures think?

I don't see this as any more fulfilling than that we are simply minor, but our own, agents in a mechanistic universe of chaos. In fact, I prefer that latter. At least this is our own, instead of some servile obeisance to some supposed and silent god.

That which was in the beginning and has evolved to become who you are, is the only God with whom you can have a personal relationship.

He, the living ancestral mind=spirit, who dwells behind the veil of the flesh in the innermost sanctuary of his temporary tent/tabernacle which is your body when it was born, before "YOU" the potential child to your ancestral spirit, and the controlling godhead to that body, who is developing from all the information that is gathered through the senses of that body, had even begun to develop, is the only spiritual Father and God, with whom you can experience a personal relationship.

He, who is connected to the very beginning by and unbroken genetic thread of life, who has never died and can never die, is "THE Father and God" to whom you can have a personal relationship with.

But first you must know "WHO YOU ARE" before you will be known by God "THE" Father, "WHO I AM."

You sound like Torquemada

Which one? Juan de Torquemada (cardinal) (1388–1468), Spanish cardinal and ecclesiastical writer, or Tomás de Torquemada (1420–1498), prominent leader of the Spanish Inquisition, or perhaps, Antonio de Torquemada (c. 1507-1569), Spanish writer, or could it be, Fray Juan de Torquemada (c. 1562–1624), Spanish friar, missionary and historian of the New World, but then again, you could be referring to Edward Powys Mathers (1892–1939) whose pseudonym was Torquemada, a British crossword setter.

You've got to clarify what you're talkin bout matey.

Do you hate Jews?

If I hated Muslims, Christians or Jews
Or even if I were to say, “I hate you�
I’d not be like Jesus, now would I My friend?
And he was a Jew right up to the end.

My priest, my king, and my brother is He
And the words of my God that He spoke, set me free.
Those words were not His, but the words of my Lord
And one share of his body will be my reward.

And Jesus the first to receive his reward,
Now sits in the throne of my Father and God
And I who have now won the victory too.
Could ne’er hate a Christian, Muslim, or Jew.

[Intojoy]

Good answer