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This would seem like an impossible task to me. Even if I believed in a God of sorts, I would find it impossible to imbue it/him with the human emotion of love. Is God-love different to human love and if it is can you give a few examples of it to explain how it works.

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Goat wrote: I always feel that actions speak louder than words...
I agree with that. But in my opinion actions of God's love are this opportunity that we have.
Goat wrote:I DO see the actions of a lot of people that NEED to feel like that are loved though.
It is interesting that I get feeling that you have not felt true love. And for some reason you don’t even want to accept it, even if love would come to you. But my feelings may be wrong and at least they are not meaningful, in my opinion, in this case.
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1213 wrote:
assisigirl wrote: Show proof that your God loves you.
I don’t think I would live without God’s love. In my opinion my life is sign that God loves me. Why else he would let me live?
How is it that literally there are billions of people on this planet that live just fine without your god's love? I'm going to guess that your fear is irrational, due to this.
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Morphine wrote: Does God love me more than he loves some of your fellow Christians who have died?
If the Bible is correct, they are not necessary death, although their body has died. So, on that basis I can’t tell. And also, even though God loves, he might let some people die (for example because they don’t want to be in life).
So maybe the fact that you're still alive is proof of nothing...

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Clownboat wrote: How is it that literally there are billions of people on this planet that live just fine without your god's love?
And how can you say that they live without God’s love? They may live without knowing it, but that doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love them.

If God is real as I believe and as Bible tells and his opinion is that no human is good, then in my opinion only reason to let us live is love. But that is only my opinion, and I don’t see reason why you must believe that.
Clownboat wrote: I'm going to guess that your fear is irrational, due to this.
What fear?
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Hi All,
It is nice to see good civilized discourse on this thread. There are ways of proving something. If it was shown that some beliefs fared better than others in life and hapiness then there might be a reason to infer that their God was in some way an active ingredient to their success. God's love should, if real, at least be detectable in some way. The R.C. dross that states you need to be miserable now to double up later is just a smoke screen for tomfoolery. Jesus on the other hand insists that his followers will shine out like beacons for all to sail towards. Show me the money! Show me God's love.

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1213 wrote:
Clownboat wrote: How is it that literally there are billions of people on this planet that live just fine without your god's love?
And how can you say that they live without God’s love? They may live without knowing it, but that doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love them.
Be as that it may, you stated that they are alive because God loved them.. care to back that up with more than just unsupported claims
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Attitude towards Christians
Although, before becoming emperor, Marcus Aurelius followed the lenient line of the emperors Hadrian and Antoninus Pius, he is listed among the persecutors of Christians along with Nero, Domitian and Decius. Henry Wace attributes his severity as emperor to rivalry between the rising teachers of Christianity and the professors of the school of Stoicism to which the emperor belonged, to a personal bitterness to which he gave expression in his Meditations, and to the occurrence of natural calamities that the populace attributed to the anger of the gods against those who denied them and that the Christians saw as signs of the end of the world


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assisigirl wrote: Attitude towards Christians
Although, before becoming emperor, Marcus Aurelius followed the lenient line of the emperors Hadrian and Antoninus Pius, he is listed among the persecutors of Christians along with Nero, Domitian and Decius. Henry Wace attributes his severity as emperor to rivalry between the rising teachers of Christianity and the professors of the school of Stoicism to which the emperor belonged, to a personal bitterness to which he gave expression in his Meditations, and to the occurrence of natural calamities that the populace attributed to the anger of the gods against those who denied them and that the Christians saw as signs of the end of the world


assisigirl:: Still at it people, no change here. Goat
And why do you think that asking to back up claims in debate is 'bitterness'? Does this assumption do anything to get evidence for that unsupported claim?
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Goat wrote:
1213 wrote:
Clownboat wrote: How is it that literally there are billions of people on this planet that live just fine without your god's love?
And how can you say that they live without God’s love? They may live without knowing it, but that doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love them.
Be as that it may, you stated that they are alive because God loved them.. care to back that up with more than just unsupported claims
I only say, if God exists as Bible tells, then we live only because of his love, because there is no other Biblical reason that I know to keep us alive. I am ready to change my mind if somebody can tell other Biblical reason. If Bible God is not real, then this whole thing is meaningless and it is totally different question. And of course you are free to believe that God doesn’t exist.
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Thanks

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