Are Atheists Potentially Morally Superior to Theists?

[Danmark]

The proposition is that atheists have the potential of being morally superior to theists because to the extent the atheist does good works, he does them because he wants to, because she thinks it right. Whereas the theist acts out of religious necessity or compulsion; the threat of hell or deprivation of heaven.

[TheTruth101]

I have made no claims at all, on the other hand you have provided unsupported claims of invisible gods out there.

I will tell you what Atheists do, on another thread, Nickman brings up UFO's existence. Then, I simply debated with im as to its existence. (standing as dismissla of UFO's) Then, he debates back saying I'm a hypocrit because I waive off UFO's instantly because it's not said in the Bible. Then, another member brings in an article saying Angels of the Bible can be concluded as to being Aliens.
Then I change my position (I forgot about Angels) and debate from a perspective that Aliens do exist. Now, Nickman is nowhere to be found in that thread,lol.

God made 3 Kinds according to the Bible.

1.Beasts
2.Humans
3.Angels


Beasts are evident.
Humans are evident.
Angels are evident now, (Aliens)

Now, are there any other species that the world is in question of? No, all have been covered and is in accordance with Gods created kinds.


The point here is, Athesists do not back up their claims when confronted. They just ignore the issue and pretty much, let live.

The same thing you are doing.

Now you are just rambling on about something else to avoid the fact that I have made no claims whereas you have, unsupported ones at that of invisible gods out there.

Oxygen is invisible, however our life is only maintained because of oxygen,

God is invisible, and it is said eternal life is only gained if one maintained faith..


Both are evident in my eyes, just cant see.

However, one can provide facts about oxygen.

Read the Bible, facts are all there.

They're stories, get over it.

They are stories, factual stories.

[d.thomas]

I have made no claims at all, on the other hand you have provided unsupported claims of invisible gods out there.

I will tell you what Atheists do, on another thread, Nickman brings up UFO's existence. Then, I simply debated with im as to its existence. (standing as dismissla of UFO's) Then, he debates back saying I'm a hypocrit because I waive off UFO's instantly because it's not said in the Bible. Then, another member brings in an article saying Angels of the Bible can be concluded as to being Aliens.
Then I change my position (I forgot about Angels) and debate from a perspective that Aliens do exist. Now, Nickman is nowhere to be found in that thread,lol.

God made 3 Kinds according to the Bible.

1.Beasts
2.Humans
3.Angels


Beasts are evident.
Humans are evident.
Angels are evident now, (Aliens)

Now, are there any other species that the world is in question of? No, all have been covered and is in accordance with Gods created kinds.


The point here is, Athesists do not back up their claims when confronted. They just ignore the issue and pretty much, let live.

The same thing you are doing.

Now you are just rambling on about something else to avoid the fact that I have made no claims whereas you have, unsupported ones at that of invisible gods out there.

Oxygen is invisible, however our life is only maintained because of oxygen,

God is invisible, and it is said eternal life is only gained if one maintained faith..


Both are evident in my eyes, just cant see.

However, one can provide facts about oxygen.

Read the Bible, facts are all there.

They're stories, get over it.

They are stories, factual stories.

Sure they are, whatever you say.

[TheTruth101]

I have made no claims at all, on the other hand you have provided unsupported claims of invisible gods out there.

I will tell you what Atheists do, on another thread, Nickman brings up UFO's existence. Then, I simply debated with im as to its existence. (standing as dismissla of UFO's) Then, he debates back saying I'm a hypocrit because I waive off UFO's instantly because it's not said in the Bible. Then, another member brings in an article saying Angels of the Bible can be concluded as to being Aliens.
Then I change my position (I forgot about Angels) and debate from a perspective that Aliens do exist. Now, Nickman is nowhere to be found in that thread,lol.

God made 3 Kinds according to the Bible.

1.Beasts
2.Humans
3.Angels


Beasts are evident.
Humans are evident.
Angels are evident now, (Aliens)

Now, are there any other species that the world is in question of? No, all have been covered and is in accordance with Gods created kinds.


The point here is, Athesists do not back up their claims when confronted. They just ignore the issue and pretty much, let live.

The same thing you are doing.

Now you are just rambling on about something else to avoid the fact that I have made no claims whereas you have, unsupported ones at that of invisible gods out there.

Oxygen is invisible, however our life is only maintained because of oxygen,

God is invisible, and it is said eternal life is only gained if one maintained faith..


Both are evident in my eyes, just cant see.

However, one can provide facts about oxygen.

Read the Bible, facts are all there.

They're stories, get over it.

They are stories, factual stories.

Sure they are, whatever you say.

Its your eternity, not mine. Goodluck.

[d.thomas]

I have made no claims at all, on the other hand you have provided unsupported claims of invisible gods out there.

I will tell you what Atheists do, on another thread, Nickman brings up UFO's existence. Then, I simply debated with im as to its existence. (standing as dismissla of UFO's) Then, he debates back saying I'm a hypocrit because I waive off UFO's instantly because it's not said in the Bible. Then, another member brings in an article saying Angels of the Bible can be concluded as to being Aliens.
Then I change my position (I forgot about Angels) and debate from a perspective that Aliens do exist. Now, Nickman is nowhere to be found in that thread,lol.

God made 3 Kinds according to the Bible.

1.Beasts
2.Humans
3.Angels


Beasts are evident.
Humans are evident.
Angels are evident now, (Aliens)

Now, are there any other species that the world is in question of? No, all have been covered and is in accordance with Gods created kinds.


The point here is, Athesists do not back up their claims when confronted. They just ignore the issue and pretty much, let live.

The same thing you are doing.

Now you are just rambling on about something else to avoid the fact that I have made no claims whereas you have, unsupported ones at that of invisible gods out there.

Oxygen is invisible, however our life is only maintained because of oxygen,

God is invisible, and it is said eternal life is only gained if one maintained faith..


Both are evident in my eyes, just cant see.

However, one can provide facts about oxygen.

Read the Bible, facts are all there.

They're stories, get over it.

They are stories, factual stories.

Sure they are, whatever you say.

Its your eternity, not mine. Goodluck.

Oh, I see, an eternity in Hell for me for not believing you. How morally upright of you.

[TheTruth101]

I will tell you what Atheists do, on another thread, Nickman brings up UFO's existence. Then, I simply debated with im as to its existence. (standing as dismissla of UFO's) Then, he debates back saying I'm a hypocrit because I waive off UFO's instantly because it's not said in the Bible. Then, another member brings in an article saying Angels of the Bible can be concluded as to being Aliens.
Then I change my position (I forgot about Angels) and debate from a perspective that Aliens do exist. Now, Nickman is nowhere to be found in that thread,lol.

God made 3 Kinds according to the Bible.

1.Beasts
2.Humans
3.Angels


Beasts are evident.
Humans are evident.
Angels are evident now, (Aliens)

Now, are there any other species that the world is in question of? No, all have been covered and is in accordance with Gods created kinds.


The point here is, Athesists do not back up their claims when confronted. They just ignore the issue and pretty much, let live.

The same thing you are doing.

Now you are just rambling on about something else to avoid the fact that I have made no claims whereas you have, unsupported ones at that of invisible gods out there.

Oxygen is invisible, however our life is only maintained because of oxygen,

God is invisible, and it is said eternal life is only gained if one maintained faith..


Both are evident in my eyes, just cant see.

However, one can provide facts about oxygen.

Read the Bible, facts are all there.

They're stories, get over it.

They are stories, factual stories.

Sure they are, whatever you say.

Its your eternity, not mine. Goodluck.

Oh, I see, an eternity in Hell for me for not believing you. How morally upright of you.

My morals stand with the bible. Not the false self righteousness way you fantasize of.
In other words, if you get damned for eternity, I will be right there with God Yahweh and Christ locking you up for all eternity. Because, just like the prison systems today, no one in heaven's will see you as the righteous, but rather a criminal for eternity, because, simply, true righteousness only belongs to the ones that obey Gods orders. Nothing else.

[Artie]

Here you go, let me show you how this works:

"we reached the conclusion that happiness is the ultimate value and we should strive to increase it. This result can be formalized into a secular ethical system I call universal utilitarianism"

http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/09/ ... y-iii.html

So we have atheists claiming it happiness that drives morality?

Well of course it does. Morality evolves. Following evolved morality leads to a good conscience and happiness for all concerned so people formulate the result of following evolutionary morality, happiness, into a secular ethical system making happiness a value. Perfectly logical.

http://www.thecommentfactory.com/if-ath ... ates-1784/

Nope, morality is clearly cultural ... also argued and not supported on this thread.

I don't quite see the point of this article. Of course morality is cultural. Different cultures have different moralities just depends where in the world they evolved or which religions they evolved.

Our own intuition guides our morality.

Yes it does. Morals evolved and intuition about what's right and wrong is simply the subconscious telling us.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142545.htm

"Haidt shows how evolutionary, neurological and social-psychological insights are being synthesized in support of three principles:"

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/morality.htm

"This is in keeping with the writings of Paul the Apostle, who points out that even those who do not believe in God frequently obey God's laws as given in the Ten Commandments: "for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them" (Romans 2:14-15 (NKJV))." Paul says "the law written in their hearts, their conscience" which of course are the morals evolved by evolution which people attributed to gods in their different holy scriptures.

In short, I can google too ... so please ACTUALLY make an argument.

My argument is that logic, reason and common sense tells us that morals evolved, were formulated into words and incorporated into legal systems and religions so as to make people more likely to follow the evolutionary moral codes. Can you use logic, reason and common sense and show me otherwise?

[otseng]

I don't believe your claim of ancient invisible gods out there because you can't provide evidence. I have nothing to prove but it certainly appears that you do. BTW, does your invisible god coincidentally happen to have the same morals as you? Maybe you're just projecting.

You just claimed that there is no faith in atheism, and I DEMAND, as per the forum rules, that you prove, SCIENTIFICALLY, and with absolute precision and venerability that there is no God ... in accordance with your rejection of faith.

Indeed, I have provided evidence. Its you that is simply pulling an ostrich.

I can only conclude at this point that you have no intention of actually debating.

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[otseng]

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[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Theism postulates that there is a God ... and from that reference point certain inferences can be made. Its the whole Hegelian dialectic thingy ...

Sure, you can make all sorts of inferences about gods. But when you start making inferences you're talking about religion, not simply theism.

Second, if you are claiming that empowered atheism has no historical basis .. yet .. then I would invite you to check out the Paris communes, some of the natier bits of the French and Russian Revolution, Stalin, Moa, and good ol Kim Jung Il/Un.

I do not know what "empowered atheism" is, or what in my post led you to believe I have made a claim about it. Which point of mine is this meant to be in response to?

Atheism has its faults, so does religion. Only one has a defined mechanism that aids a person in the objective examination of their morality and an instrument to improve said morality.

It isn't atheism.

The distinction I was discussing was atheism/theism. Atheism/religion is not a dichotomy, and a fairly meaningless comparison as atheism is not a religion.

[d.thomas]

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