Not beliving in God = You would then do (X) bad thing..

[playhavock]

So, I have seen things like this writen and heard them spoken the beliver in God says something like:

"If I did not belive in God... I'd do all sorts of horrable things!"

To me, this is not real morality, it is akin to saying that I do not steel because I'm afraid of being caught and sent to jail. Rather, I do not steel becuase I do not want to, I do not wish to do this act, I know that stealing harms someone else, causes incress in prices, and other results that are all negtive, and more over, I simply have no desire to steel, for no other reasion that it is negtive it action and nature.

There are meny ethics and morals I hold that I hold only becuase I personaly value them, and some of them I can make a logical augment for, others I perhaps can not, I've not looked at all of them, but I do not say "If (Y) is proven wrong, I'll start doing (X) bad thing!" for I never know when or if (Y) might be proven wrong, even if it is something I am very sure about say, gravity - "Why if gravity stops working, I'll start killing!" (actualy we will all be flung off the planet due to centerfical force and killed but on the way I could try to kill someone I guess)

No, I do not make my ethics about a "if (Y) then I'll do (X)"

To me those who utter that there morals hinge upon there belifes really deep down want to do those bad things, and its only begrudgingly that they do not do them, at least thats what it seems like when they utter such things.

What do you say, would you do (X) the moment you stop thinking there is a God? What bad thing do you really want to do, but are not doing just because you think there is a God?

[olavisjo]

To me, this is not real morality, it is akin to saying that I do not steel because I'm afraid of being caught and sent to jail. Rather, I do not steel because I do not want to, I do not wish to do this act, I know that stealing harms someone else, causes increase in prices, and other results that are all negative, and more over, I simply have no desire to steel, for no other reason that it is negative it action and nature.

If you do not wish to steal, then what credit is it to you not to steal?
If you do wish to steal, how do you change that to an "I do not wish to steal"? If you don't care if your stealing stealing harms someone else, causes increase in prices, and other results that are all negative. How do you begin to care? If I choose to care then I will care?
It is like changing "I don't believe there is a God" to a "I do believe". You can't just choose the way you are, or can you?
Can I choose to be moral according to your standard of real morality?

[playhavock]

Thanks for dodging the question and missing the point.
-_-

[olavisjo]

Thanks for dodging the question and missing the point.
-_-

Of course your "real morality" is greater than my fear based morality. But forgive me if I can't be like you, I was born a depraved sinner and this is as good as I get. I strive to be good for any reason that I can find in me. If that is not good enough, I will strive harder to desire not to do evil.

[Divine Insight]

What do you say, would you do (X) the moment you stop thinking there is a God? What bad thing do you really want to do, but are not doing just because you think there is a God?

I have no desire to do anything that I would personally consider to be bad.

It makes absolutely no difference to me whether there exists a God or not.

[Divine Insight]

If you do not wish to steal, then what credit is it to you not to steal?

Interesting.

So you're saying that a truly righteous person deserves no credit, and only unrighteous people who are constantly fighting against their true desire to do bad things should be given credit for their efforts?

That's an interesting view you have there.

If you do wish to steal, how do you change that to an "I do not wish to steal"? If you don't care if your stealing stealing harms someone else, causes increase in prices, and other results that are all negative. How do you begin to care? If I choose to care then I will care?

If I were asking those question about me, I'd be on the phone making an appointment to visit a psychologist. This is what doctors are for.

I'd also have an MRI scan done to be sure I don't have a brain tumor or something else that might physically be causing this abnormality.

What you're describing here is not considered to be a normal healthy situation.

Doctors can't help with these mental health issues until the patient makes an appointment.

And sometimes these things can even be traced to dietary problems. What we eat can have an effect on how our brain processes thoughts too.

Also a course on Yoga Meditations wouldn't hurt, but I'd check out the medical aspects first.

[olavisjo]

If I were asking those question about me, I'd be on the phone making an appointment to visit a psychologist. This is what doctors are for.

I'd also have an MRI scan done to be sure I don't have a brain tumor or something else that might physically be causing this abnormality.

What you're describing here is not considered to be a normal healthy situation.

Doctors can't help with these mental health issues until the patient makes an appointment.

And sometimes these things can even be traced to dietary problems. What we eat can have an effect on how our brain processes thoughts too.

Also a course on Yoga Meditations wouldn't hurt, but I'd check out the medical aspects first.

We should introduce your ideas to the prison system, we may all benefit.

[playhavock]

Look at that pretty red harring!

[Divine Insight]

We should introduce your ideas to the prison system, we may all benefit.

Actually if people sought out psychologists on their own when they are having problems we probably wouldn't even have an prison system at all.

In fact religion probably gets in the way of this. Instead of having people go to church ever Sunday we should have them visit a psychologist. We'd be much further ahead.

[AdHoc]

So, I have seen things like this writen and heard them spoken the beliver in God says something like:

"If I did not belive in God... I'd do all sorts of horrable things!"

To me, this is not real morality, it is akin to saying that I do not steel because I'm afraid of being caught and sent to jail. Rather, I do not steel becuase I do not want to, I do not wish to do this act, I know that stealing harms someone else, causes incress in prices, and other results that are all negtive, and more over, I simply have no desire to steel, for no other reasion that it is negtive it action and nature.

There are meny ethics and morals I hold that I hold only becuase I personaly value them, and some of them I can make a logical augment for, others I perhaps can not, I've not looked at all of them, but I do not say "If (Y) is proven wrong, I'll start doing (X) bad thing!" for I never know when or if (Y) might be proven wrong, even if it is something I am very sure about say, gravity - "Why if gravity stops working, I'll start killing!" (actualy we will all be flung off the planet due to centerfical force and killed but on the way I could try to kill someone I guess)

No, I do not make my ethics about a "if (Y) then I'll do (X)"

To me those who utter that there morals hinge upon there belifes really deep down want to do those bad things, and its only begrudgingly that they do not do them, at least thats what it seems like when they utter such things.

What do you say, would you do (X) the moment you stop thinking there is a God? What bad thing do you really want to do, but are not doing just because you think there is a God?

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with your whole premise.

For two reasons 1) It's a fairly well-demonstrated fact that humans avoid doing things that are wrong for fear of consequences I submit yours and my childhood and the New Orleans Superdome as exhibit 1a, 1b and 2.

2)While it might be true that some people don't do some things because they believe in God I don't think that is the generally accepted belief in Christianity of why a person changes their behaviours. This would be sanctification.