Can the Laws of Nature be temporarily altered or suspended

[ytrewq]

Modern science is based on the assumption that the so-called Laws of Nature are fixed, and that temporary and/or localized variations or suspensions do not occur.

A supernatural event may be defined as one that could only occur if the Laws of Nature were temporarily altered or suspended, so the question being asked is essentially the same as whether supernatural events can occur.

Here are some examples of supernatural events under this definition.

(a) You are holding a heavy (10kg) stone. Suddenly you feel the stone become lighter, then weightless, then it starts pulling upwards. In surprise, you let go, and the stone falls upwards, away from the earth rather than towards it, and accelerates upwards into the sky and out of sight. In scientific terms, the Law of Gravitational Attraction has been temporarily altered (reversed) for this stone. Is this possible?

(b) A massive (3000kg, or 3 ton) tree branch has fallen on your child. Although the main weight has been taken on the ground, your child is nonetheless pinned between the branch and the ground, and screaming out that they cannot breath. You attempt to lift the branch, but it weighs 3000kg, so you cannot lift it, but of course you try anyway. Only a supernatural event can help you and save the life of your child. The Law of Gravity could be temporarily altered, so just for a few seconds, the branch weighed only 50kg. Is this possible? Alternatively, you could temporarily acquire superhuman strength, and for a few seconds be able to lift the 3000kg, which would normally snap your tendons or bones. Is this possible?

(c) Your mobile phone stops working, but there is nothing whatsoever physically wrong with it. Instead, one of the Laws of Physics that make computers work become temporarily altered or suspended such that your computer stops working. Is this possible?

All of the $100 notes in your wallet sponaneously change into $10 notes, or your gold ingot spontaneously changes into a steel ingot, etc. Is this possible?

In my opinion, the answer to all these questions must surely be NO. As far as science is concerend the answer most certainly is NO, for all of the scientific knowledge gained over the past 200 years depends on fundamental Laws of nature being stable and reproducible, at different times and in different locations. It would be either a brave or foolish person that would dismiss the past 200 years of scientific knowledge with a wave of the hand.

However, regardless of what science says, through human experience, the very society in which we live has de-facto already answered answered NO to questions of this type. For example, our legal system will not (and could not possibly) allow or dispute evidence on the basis of a supernatural event having occured. Society would simply disintegrate into chaos if we had to seriously entertain the possibility of all potential supernatural events. Futhermore, almost every modern machine from cars to phones to computers simply could not work unless the underlying physical Laws were totally rock solid and reliable. Imagine taking your brand new malfunctioning computer back to the store, only to be told 'I'm terribly sorry sir, but there is nothing physically wrong with your computer. Unfortunately for you, the Laws of Nature upon which it relies for it's operation are unstable. Although unusual, this can happen.' Of course, nobody believes this. Do you?

There is, of course, a temptation to make 'exceptions' for the suspension or alteration of the Laws of Nature, when doing so makes possible an event that you wish to believe is possible. This is really just hypocrisy and wishful thinking. If your pet beliefs are entitled to such an exception, then of course so are mine, and so are everone else's, including the pet beliefs of every crackpot under the sun. Logical debate ceases altogether. Unless we can find evidence to the contrary, and none has ever been found, then (perhaps unfortunately) we need to accept that the Laws of Nature cannot be suspended or altered just because we would like it to be so, and get on with life.

[SailingCyclops]

All the events that took place was inspired by her. This would mean all the events that took place were true or close enough to it.

That's not what "INSPIRED BY" means. Look up the word! The movie is fictional, it used the case of this poor mentally ill woman to shock and sell movie tickets. Inspired does NOT mean "all the events that took place were true or close enough to it."

So do you think this is a hoax as well? I'm referring to supernatural possesion.

There is no evidence for supernatural possession. The fictional movie character was inspired by a woman who was a medically diagnosed schizophrenic. There is no evidence that she was possessed.

[TheTruth101]

All the events that took place was inspired by her. This would mean all the events that took place were true or close enough to it.

That's not what "INSPIRED BY" means. Look up the word! The movie is fictional, it used the case of this poor mentally ill woman to shock and sell movie tickets. Inspired does NOT mean "all the events that took place were true or close enough to it."

So do you think this is a hoax as well? I'm referring to supernatural possesion.

There is no evidence for supernatural possession. The fictional movie character was inspired by a woman who was a medically diagnosed schizophrenic. There is no evidence that she was possessed.

Look at the YouTube Video I posted. That's all REAL video of her. Progression through her supernatural possession. LISTEN to her voice. Shes peaking a total different language she never knew during her possession.

The YouTube Video is NOT the Hollywood movie that was made. (Exorcism of Emily rose)


And btw, you are leaving out inspired by "true" events.

[SailingCyclops]

Look at the YouTube Video I posted. That's all REAL video of her. Progression through her supernatural possession. LISTEN to her voice. Shes peaking a total different language she never knew during her possession.

Progression through her severe schizophrenia.
She is being incoherent. Sort of what you do at times. What language is she speaking?

How do you connect incoherent speech with "supernatural possession"? This is something you would have to support with evidence. Otherwise you are just engaging in more incoherent speech.

[TheTruth101]

Look at the YouTube Video I posted. That's all REAL video of her. Progression through her supernatural possession. LISTEN to her voice. Shes peaking a total different language she never knew during her possession.

Progression through her severe schizophrenia.
She is being incoherent. Sort of what you do at times. What language is she speaking?

How do you connect incoherent speech with "supernatural possession"? This is something you would have to support with evidence. Otherwise you are just engaging in more incoherent speech.

Are you forgetting all the details I gave you of what she did during her possession?
Read my original post. The film Emily rose is inspired by "true" events.

She is speaking Aramaic and Latin. The original language of Christ and the Jews.

How do you know she being incoherent if you don't even know what she's speaking? Enough with personal flamebait and admit your science drowns miserably here

It rather seems like your being incoherent here. Maybe its your age.

She's a German btw.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 24:

Are you forgetting all the details I gave you of what she did during her possession?
Read my original post. The film Emily rose is inspired by "true" events.

Placing quotaters around a word, as you did with truth, indicates an uncommon definition.

She is speaking Aramaic and Latin. The original language of Christ and the Jews.

Please point out the particular parts where she speaks Aramaic, and those other particular parts where she speaks the other'n. And what she says when she does one or the other'n.

1st challenge.


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[SailingCyclops]

The film Emily rose is inspired by "true" events.

The Exorcism of Emily Rose, is a movie loosely based on her story

She is speaking Aramaic and Latin. The original language of Christ and the Jews.

Show evidence of this. There is no record of her speaking these languages. Where did you get this from? Did you make it up?

The "exorcism" is what killed her. Those priests who attempted to exorcise her were found guilty of manslaughter

[GADARENE]

"Modern science is based on the assumption that the so-called Laws of Nature are fixed, and that temporary and/or localized variations or suspensions do not occur.

A supernatural event may be defined as one that could only occur if the Laws of Nature were temporarily altered or suspended, so the question being asked is essentially the same as whether supernatural events can occur."

Extraordinary. The one who cast those laws into existence likely has the authority to do as he wishes with them. If he would like to suspend his laws, I imagine he could manage to do so (he might strain and tire) but in the end I'd put my money on his ability to do as he wishes.

[TheTruth101]

@Joey, SailingCyclops

She spoke 6 different languages she never knew or learned during her "possesion".

Possessed] We are the ones who dwell within.
[in Hebrew language] I am the one who dwelt within CAIN!
[in Latin language] I am the one who dwelt within NERO!
[in Greek language] I once dwelt within JUDAS!
[in German Language] I was with Legion
[In Assyrian Neo-Aramaic language] I am Belial
[possessed/English] and I am Lucifer, The devil in the flesh

Also, other testimonies here.
http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Movies/Exor ... 17585.html
http://historicmysteries.com/the-distur ... se-michel/

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Also,

http://moviesbasedontruestoriesdatabase ... story.html

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[SailingCyclops]

@Joey, SailingCyclops

She spoke 6 different languages she never knew or learned during her "possesion".

Possessed] We are the ones who dwell within.
[in Hebrew language] I am the one who dwelt within CAIN!
[in Latin language] I am the one who dwelt within NERO!
[in Greek language] I once dwelt within JUDAS!
[in German Language] I was with Legion
[In Assyrian Neo-Aramaic language] I am Belial
[possessed/English] and I am Lucifer, The devil in the flesh

Where does this come from? Where is the original transcripts with the translations? You made this up right?

Also, other testimonies here.
http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Movies/Exor ... 17585.html

No evidence supporting anything you claim is here! Fun Trivia? Really? Show us some real evidence, not another nonsense link please.

http://historicmysteries.com/the-distur ... se-michel/

http://moviesbasedontruestoriesdatabase ... story.html

No evidence here either. More movie advertising, and "mysteries" sites? Movies are not evidence. mysteries are not evidence. Especially movies "loosely based" on some historical event. If this is the best you can do, you FAIL!!

Please provide some evidence that this poor sick girl was speaking anything except incoherent nonsense. Please provide evidence that her illness was caused by demons. Evidence, not movie reviews, mystery sites, fun trivia, or any other such non evidentiary nonsense.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 28:

@Joey, SailingCyclops

She spoke 6 different languages she never knew or learned during her "possesion".

I declare your statement an insufficient response to my previous challenge...

She is speaking Aramaic and Latin.
...

I will now ask, for the second time...

Please point out the particular parts where she speaks Aramaic, and those other particular parts where she speaks the other'n. And what she says when she does one or the other'n.

2nd challenge.

Just declaring this lady spoke more languages than those you mentioned previously ought'n get you off the hook for saying she spoke the languages you previously declared she spoke.

I'll send the third challenge to the mods in the hope they give a dang.