I feel like we've been beating around the bush for... 6000 years!
Can you please either provide some evidence for your supernatural beliefs, or admit that you have no evidence?
If you believe there once was a talking donkey (Numbers 22) could you please provide evidence?
If you believe there once was a zombie invasion in Jerusalem (Mat 27) could you please provide evidence?
If you believe in the flying horse (Islam) could you please provide evidence?
Walking on water, virgin births, radioactive spiders who give you superpowers, turning water into wine, turning iron into gold, demons, goblins, ghosts, hobbits, elves, angels, unicorns and Santa.
Can you PLEASE provide evidence?
Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
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Wouldn't take a miracle at all, it would take objective evidence that a god, any god, actually exists in reality.Tex wrote:no evidence no belief wrote:Tex wrote:
Here is one of yours. Looks like he went mad.![]()
I have been a Christian all my life....No point in listening to me.
Ok, so in other words you are admitting that you have no evidence. Thank you.
Anybody else?
But how can an atheist find God.....Wouldn't it take a miracle.
You yourself being an atheist.... would you need a miracle to believe in God?
Can you say right here and right now you will never believe in God?
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I see. So you believe that Jesus walked on water, because you believe that he rose from the dead? Do you also believe that he rose from the dead because he walked on water?Tex wrote:no evidence no belief wrote:Tex wrote:no evidence no belief wrote:Tex wrote:
Here is one of yours. Looks like he went mad.![]()
I have been a Christian all my life....No point in listening to me.
Ok, so in other words you are admitting that you have no evidence. Thank you.
Anybody else?
But how can an atheist find God.....Wouldn't it take a miracle.
You yourself being an atheist.... would you need a miracle to believe in God?
Can you say right here and right now you will never believe in God?
What would it take to persuade you that I am able to walk on water?
I see...To difficult a question. Believing in God doesn't hurt you know?
Answer to your question:Rise from the dead after three days after being crucified.
Also, a bunch of people rose form the dead according to Matthew 27. There was a bonafide zombie invasion in Jerusalem, if we were to believe that fairy tale. Could all those zombies walk on water too?
Kidding aside. Do you have ANY evidence? Anything at all?
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Why can't an all knowing, all powerful entity find the atheist?Tex wrote:no evidence no belief wrote:Tex wrote:
Here is one of yours. Looks like he went mad.![]()
I have been a Christian all my life....No point in listening to me.
Ok, so in other words you are admitting that you have no evidence. Thank you.
Anybody else?
But how can an atheist find God.....Wouldn't it take a miracle.
You yourself being an atheist.... would you need a miracle to believe in God?
Can you say right here and right now you will never believe in God?
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I need you to read my OP more carefully.AdHoc wrote:Substantial? Ha that's an understatement. There is no evidence that you could possibly present to me that would convince me to believe something like you were abducted by aliens.no evidence no belief wrote:I don't know man.AdHoc wrote: Just curious.... What kind of evidence would you accept?
Once we establish that I'll decide if I can... er... crack the case for you.
What kind of evidence would it take to make you believe in a God other than the one you believe in?
What kind of evidence would you need to believe me if I told you I was abducted by aliens?
If you want to convince me that the stories of the talking donkey that imparts wisdom or the radioactive spider that gives you superpowers are real, the evidence had better be substantial.
When you say aliens you're talking about spacemen yes?
Unless you can answer my question I really can't take the OP seriously.
Notice how I make a list of beliefs? (talking donkeys, zombie invasions, radioactive spiders, flying horses, walking on water, virgin births, turning water into wine, turning iron into gold, demons, goblins, ghosts, hobbits, elves, angels, unicorns and Santa).
Now, what evidence I would require depends on the belief you hold. I DON'T KNOW what you believe. Therefore I can't tell you what evidence I would need for whatever undisclosed belief you hold, right?
If you believe in talking donkeys, I'd probably need some evidence of a donkey that could talk.
If you believe in the radioactive spider that gave superpowers to people it bit, I'd need some evidence of a spider that was radioactive and of somebody who was bit who now had superpowers.
If you believe in elves, I'd need some evidence of elves.
If you believe in demons, I'd need to see evidence of demons.
Why don't you start by telling me about a supernatural belief you hold, and we can take it from there.
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AdHoc wrote: You don't even know what evidence you are looking for... Seems like a fool's errand unless we actually know what the key deliverable is...
The christian god knows exactly what evidence would persuade me to believe in him. If his followers can be believed he has provided this evidence to millions of people. Why won't he provide it to me? Am I unworthy or does he need conflict in this world to feel important?
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens
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Post #27
Dude. Seriously. Just tell us what you believe and give us the evidence.AdHoc wrote: You don't even know what evidence you are looking for... Seems like a fool's errand unless we actually know what the key deliverable is...
I specifically say in my OP that I'm tired of people beating around the bush.
Post #28
And yet you are furiously beating around it yourself...
I'll say it one more time... Please tell me what evidence you would accept
Like are we talking photographs? Signed witness statements? A glove? DNA?...What?
I'll say it one more time... Please tell me what evidence you would accept
Like are we talking photographs? Signed witness statements? A glove? DNA?...What?
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Post #29
Actually, I'm not sure what would convince me. Can one know what is convincing until the moment you're convinced? A god would know.
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens
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Me being a Atheist cant say I will never know of a god...But Im 100% sure your god or the countless others never existed..Tex wrote:no evidence no belief wrote:Tex wrote:
Here is one of yours. Looks like he went mad.![]()
I have been a Christian all my life....No point in listening to me.
Ok, so in other words you are admitting that you have no evidence. Thank you.
Anybody else?
But how can an atheist find God.....Wouldn't it take a miracle.
You yourself being an atheist.... would you need a miracle to believe in God?
Can you say right here and right now you will never believe in God?