Did God Create Sin?

[ViperaRex]

Okay, Christians will usually say, "no, God did not create sin, it was Adam & Eve/ the Serpent, who created sin. They say; "God created the conditions through which sin might be born, but he himself did not create sin". This argument might make sense if God couldn't see the future, but according to the bible, he can, rendering this argument absolutely ridiculous, let me give you an analogy:

I Am a scientist,one day I become bored, I decide to create an experiment for my amusement, however, I know that conducting this particular experiment will release a toxic gas that will spread and kill everything within a 5 mile radius, This isn't the main point of the experiment, but it is a byproduct I know will occur. I strap on a gas mask, shrug, and do it anyway. Sure enough, the gas is released, and thousands of of people die. Surely I would be blamed for it, as I knew it would happen but did it anyway, would you defend me and say; "Hey, he didn't create the gas, he simply created the conditions in which that gas might be created, but he didn't make it". Of course you wouldn't, that makes no sense.

God didn't say, "Let there be sin", but he created it by creating the right conditions and allowing it to happen.

And thus, how can he be angry at us for sinning, when it is not really our fault that we sin, if he had not created the conditions for sin, it would not exist.

So, my question is, did God create sin?, if you believe "no", please justify it in light of all this

[Tex]

Okay, Christians will usually say, "no, God did not create sin, it was Adam & Eve/ the Serpent, who created sin. They say; "God created the conditions through which sin might be born, but he himself did not create sin". This argument might make sense if God couldn't see the future, but according to the bible, he can, rendering this argument absolutely ridiculous, let me give you an analogy:

I Am a scientist,one day I become bored, I decide to create an experiment for my amusement, however, I know that conducting this particular experiment will release a toxic gas that will spread and kill everything within a 5 mile radius, This isn't the main point of the experiment, but it is a byproduct I know will occur. I strap on a gas mask, shrug, and do it anyway. Sure enough, the gas is released, and thousands of of people die. Surely I would be blamed for it, as I knew it would happen but did it anyway, would you defend me and say; "Hey, he didn't create the gas, he simply created the conditions in which that gas might be created, but he didn't make it". Of course you wouldn't, that makes no sense.

God didn't say, "Let there be sin", but he created it by creating the right conditions and allowing it to happen.

And thus, how can he be angry at us for sinning, when it is not really our fault that we sin, if he had not created the conditions for sin, it would not exist.

So, my question is, did God create sin?, if you believe "no", please justify it in light of all this

If you want to look at it that way....Yes,in a way, by creating us God took a chance that we may sin. Odds being that we would sin.
But I'm sure God would of hoped that we didn't fail. Just like any Father doesn't want his children to make mistake that maybe he had made.

[ViperaRex]

Okay, Christians will usually say, "no, God did not create sin, it was Adam & Eve/ the Serpent, who created sin. They say; "God created the conditions through which sin might be born, but he himself did not create sin". This argument might make sense if God couldn't see the future, but according to the bible, he can, rendering this argument absolutely ridiculous, let me give you an analogy:

I Am a scientist,one day I become bored, I decide to create an experiment for my amusement, however, I know that conducting this particular experiment will release a toxic gas that will spread and kill everything within a 5 mile radius, This isn't the main point of the experiment, but it is a byproduct I know will occur. I strap on a gas mask, shrug, and do it anyway. Sure enough, the gas is released, and thousands of of people die. Surely I would be blamed for it, as I knew it would happen but did it anyway, would you defend me and say; "Hey, he didn't create the gas, he simply created the conditions in which that gas might be created, but he didn't make it". Of course you wouldn't, that makes no sense.

God didn't say, "Let there be sin", but he created it by creating the right conditions and allowing it to happen.

And thus, how can he be angry at us for sinning, when it is not really our fault that we sin, if he had not created the conditions for sin, it would not exist.

So, my question is, did God create sin?, if you believe "no", please justify it in light of all this

If you want to look at it that way....Yes,in a way, by creating us God took a chance that we may sin. Odds being that we would sin.
But I'm sure God would of hoped that we didn't fail. Just like any Father doesn't want his children to make mistake that maybe he had made.

God did not "Take a chance", God CANNOT take a chance because God knows everything, God knew with absolute 100% certainty that we would sin. What do you mean "any mistakes he had made"?, are implying God has sinned?

[Tex]

[Replying to post 3 by ViperaRex]

A sin is not a mistake. You cut 6 feet instead of 8 feet that's a mistake.

You make something perfect and it turns out not to be perfect is not a sin.
It's a mistake.

[ViperaRex]

[Replying to post 3 by ViperaRex]

A sin is not a mistake. You cut 6 feet instead of 8 feet that's a mistake.

You make something perfect and it turns out not to be perfect is not a sin.
It's a mistake.

And how can an Omniscient, Omnipotent being make a mistake?

[McCulloch]

[Replying to post 3 by ViperaRex]

A sin is not a mistake. You cut 6 feet instead of 8 feet that's a mistake.

You make something perfect and it turns out not to be perfect is not a sin.
It's a mistake.

Did God make a mistake?

The word that is translated from the Greek as sin, comes from a word which literally means to fall short of the mark, particularly in archery. Sin includes every time you do not achieve all that you could have done; every time that the outcome is exceeded by the expectation. God sinned in creating humans if we don't live up to His expectations.

[antonenus]

So, my question is, did God create sin?, if you believe "no", please justify it in light of all this

I don't think I would say he created sin. Assuming we have free will, doesn't that give us the ability to create sin - which is just an action which God apparently doesn't like?

I think I would agree that he is responsible for it though.

[aglassdarkly]

God created us knowing that we would sin.

When He gave us the ability to make decisions, He opened up the potential for sin, but didn't create sin. When Adam and Eve sinned, they brought sin into the world.

There's a lot of literature on this, and I wouldn't expect the people on a forum like this to have the most insightful comments. But think about this: sin only exists through an agent. It isn't something that is "created." It's something that we do.

[antonenus]

[Replying to post 8 by aglassdarkly]

The bible does give some reference to sin existing, and not being just an action. Sin is falling short of Gods mark, which everyone on earth apparently has, whether they have actually sinned or not. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". "For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous" Seems like we didn't have much of a choice, and everyone is born a sinner. You could almost view biblical sin as an infection which is passed on by the parents.

If the serpent was already in the world scheming against God, how was it that Adam and Eve were the originators of sin in the world? Originators of sin in mankind maybe (according to the story), but surely not the bringers of sin to the world.

[aglassdarkly]

[Replying to post 8 by aglassdarkly]

The bible does give some reference to sin existing, and not being just an action.

Not in the sense that it exists apart from agents.

Sin is falling short of Gods mark, which everyone on earth apparently has, whether they have actually sinned or not.

Everyone has sinned even if you haven't sinned?

Seems like we didn't have much of a choice, and everyone is born a sinner. You could almost view biblical sin as an infection which is passed on by the parents.

Yes, we are born sinners, and even though you and I don't get a say in the original sin that doomed us all, we do have a say in accepting the forgiveness that is offered for us all.

If the serpent was already in the world scheming against God, how was it that Adam and Eve were the originators of sin in the world?

First, if sin came into the world through the serpent (or otherwise predated Adam's sin), it still existed only through an agent. Second, Genesis 1 and 2 are Hebrew poetry, which is typically full of symbolism and other literary features. It's hard to say who the serpent was or if there was a real serpent or if the serpent was sinful.

Originators of sin in mankind maybe (according to the story), but surely not the bringers of sin to the world.

It's not clear that sin is something which can be applied to non-humans. The Bible, to my knowledge, never accuses demons of sin. Certainly there are non-humans in the Bible who disobey God, but the Bible never calls that sin. Sin in uniquely human.