Give one reason or argument that God doesnt exist

[austin12345]

Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.

[olavisjo]

There are quite a few creationisms:

4.1 Young-Earth creationism
4.2 Old Earth creationism
4.2.1 Gap creationism
4.2.2 Day-Age creationism
4.2.3 Progressive creationism
4.3 Neo-Creationism
4.4 Intelligent design
4.5 Creation science
4.6 Theistic evolution (evolutionary creation)
4.7 Obscure and largely discounted beliefs
4.8 Omphalos hypothesis

Wikipedia

I would have loved to see creationists arguing about which Creationism should be taught to whom in which schools or whether they should teach a mishmash of them all...

Teach the facts; let the students decide.

[JoeyKnothead]

From 111:

Teach the facts; let the students decide.

The problem here is that so many theists would seek to assert as fact that which can't be shown to be such. This whole "teach the controversy" angle was thought up by theists in an attempt to infect public education, and most importantly science, with their unproven religious beliefs.

[olavisjo]

...attempt to infect public education, and most importantly science, with their unproven religious beliefs.

We would not want to teach children to think critically; they may reject the authoritarian status quo.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 113:

We would not want to teach children to think critically; they may reject the authoritarian status quo.

Or, folks who have shown themselves incapable of critical thought may seek to use the political / educational process to undermine the hard work of those who've shown they do think critically.

I can play this game all day.

[PghPanther]

If you are talking about a nonpersonal deity........ie; one that doesn't manifest itself in time or space within our physical reality, then there there is no reason I can give you that a supernatural being doesn't exist......

.....I can only tell you I have found no supernatural evidence necessary to explain our physical reality so far and would continue to remain an agnostic atheist about trying to disprove a nonpersonal deity even though my stance would remain highly doubtful.

On the otherhand if you are talking about a personal deity........ie: one who has manifested themselves in our time and space of physical reality and as a result has provided us a claimed relevation of their existence........then I can certainly examine such evidence as claimed and easily proved that kind of supernatural being doesn't exist..........in that case I would take the stance of a gnostic atheist, or one that is positive that kind of God does not exist.

So in the light of a personal God claim let me answer your question as to why they wouldn't exist................every revelation that is claimed to be by a personal God that is pronouced by humans as a relevation are in conflict with each other all throughout the history of religion and continue to be so today, in fact even within each specific faith based world view there are feverish debates and conflicts......and all of these claims are presupposed...........which leads to the fact that you can't have a plurality of presupposed truths............if just one was right all of the evidence would be universally point to that truth and agreed upon without any such conflict not only between believers but even with unbelievers as well........but that is not the case so the only result one can conclude is........they are all made up......

In summary.......My one reason then for the disbelief of a personal God is the plurality of presupposed truths that are all in conflict with each other.............

[Mr.Badham]

Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.

Because there is more than one God to reason against, my reasoning goes something like this;

All Gods may not exist, all Gods but one must not exist. That's how you know for a fact all but one god does not exist.

Next, you take all the gods, and all the variations of those gods, that have ever been believed to exist, and define their characteristics in order to find out what it is that they all have in common. Realizing that all but one of them does not exist, and also realizing the vast amounts that they all have in common and the fact that none of them have ever been proven to not exist should prove beyond a reasonable doubt that none of them do.

Boom. Case closed I win!!!

[Artie]

There are quite a few creationisms:

4.1 Young-Earth creationism
4.2 Old Earth creationism
4.2.1 Gap creationism
4.2.2 Day-Age creationism
4.2.3 Progressive creationism
4.3 Neo-Creationism
4.4 Intelligent design
4.5 Creation science
4.6 Theistic evolution (evolutionary creation)
4.7 Obscure and largely discounted beliefs
4.8 Omphalos hypothesis

Wikipedia

I would have loved to see creationists arguing about which Creationism should be taught to whom in which schools or whether they should teach a mishmash of them all...

Teach the facts; let the students decide.

Sorry but facts don't apply with creationism and can't be determined by creationism. "Faith is belief in inspiration, revelation, or authority. The word faith generally refers to a belief that is held with lack of, in spite of or against reason and evidence." Creationism is a tenet of a belief system held with "lack of, in spite of or against reason and evidence." Facts are determined using logic and reason and evidence not gods, inspiration, revelation or authority. http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/ ... ality.html

[Artie]

Then we agree that biological evolution and the evolution of car engines are both the product of intelligence.

Not exactly... let's try another approach sentence by sentence. A cell can make a copy of itself without any involvement from gods or humans, while a car engine can't. Do you understand the difference?

I do understand the difference. A car engine that reproduces itself would require far more intelligence than a simple factory made engine. More intelligence than humans have at this time.

Oh. So if humans evolve and become intelligent enough to make self replicating car engines we also automatically become gods since only gods can make self replicating car engines?

Did your god personally assemble each different flagellum or did your god produce all the different dna codes that assemble each different flagellum or what exactly is it your god is supposed to have created?

[Artie]

...attempt to infect public education, and most importantly science, with their unproven religious beliefs.

We would not want to teach children to think critically; they may reject the authoritarian status quo.

Creationism is a tenet of a religion based on faith and belief and not critical thinking. You are arguing against yourself and contradicting yourself. You do not want to teach children to think critically you want them just to have faith and belief which is the opposite. Or have you suddenly given up your religion? Matthew 19:14 Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
Are these the critically thinking children you're talking about?

[olavisjo]

Sorry but facts don't apply with creationism and can't be determined by creationism. "Faith is belief in inspiration, revelation, or authority. The word faith generally refers to a belief that is held with lack of, in spite of or against reason and evidence." Creationism is a tenet of a belief system held with "lack of, in spite of or against reason and evidence." Facts are determined using logic and reason and evidence not gods, inspiration, revelation or authority. http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/ ... ality.html

If God created the universe then that would be a fact. And at this moment it would appear that is indeed the fact of the matter.

So if humans evolve and become intelligent enough to make self replicating car engines we also automatically become gods since only gods can make self replicating car engines?

Did your god personally assemble each different flagellum or did your god produce all the different dna codes that assemble each different flagellum or what exactly is it your god is supposed to have created?

We know that chance can't create reproducing machines, we need intelligence to do that. This intelligence can be human, alien or divine; but intelligence is needed.