Okay, Christians will usually say, "no, God did not create sin, it was Adam & Eve/ the Serpent, who created sin. They say; "God created the conditions through which sin might be born, but he himself did not create sin". This argument might make sense if God couldn't see the future, but according to the bible, he can, rendering this argument absolutely ridiculous, let me give you an analogy:
I Am a scientist,one day I become bored, I decide to create an experiment for my amusement, however, I know that conducting this particular experiment will release a toxic gas that will spread and kill everything within a 5 mile radius, This isn't the main point of the experiment, but it is a byproduct I know will occur. I strap on a gas mask, shrug, and do it anyway. Sure enough, the gas is released, and thousands of of people die. Surely I would be blamed for it, as I knew it would happen but did it anyway, would you defend me and say; "Hey, he didn't create the gas, he simply created the conditions in which that gas might be created, but he didn't make it". Of course you wouldn't, that makes no sense.
God didn't say, "Let there be sin", but he created it by creating the right conditions and allowing it to happen.
And thus, how can he be angry at us for sinning, when it is not really our fault that we sin, if he had not created the conditions for sin, it would not exist.
So, my question is, did God create sin?, if you believe "no", please justify it in light of all this
Did God Create Sin?
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Re: Did God Create Sin?
Post #101That is not the question. Of course, they did. However, the question is about God's doings. Did God err in creating humanity? Did God have unrealistic expectations of us? Couldn't He have done a better job?East of Eden wrote:Huh? Adam and Eve had no responsibility?McCulloch wrote:Did God make a mistake?Tex wrote: [Replying to post 3 by ViperaRex]
A sin is not a mistake. You cut 6 feet instead of 8 feet that's a mistake.
You make something perfect and it turns out not to be perfect is not a sin.
It's a mistake.
The word that is translated from the Greek as sin, comes from a word which literally means to fall short of the mark, particularly in archery. Sin includes every time you do not achieve all that you could have done; every time that the outcome is exceeded by the expectation. God sinned in creating humans if we don't live up to His expectations.
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Re: Did God Create Sin?
Post #102There's only a couple answers:ViperaRex wrote: Okay, Christians will usually say, "no, God did not create sin, it was Adam & Eve/ the Serpent, who created sin. They say; "God created the conditions through which sin might be born, but he himself did not create sin". This argument might make sense if God couldn't see the future, but according to the bible, he can, rendering this argument absolutely ridiculous, let me give you an analogy:
I Am a scientist,one day I become bored, I decide to create an experiment for my amusement, however, I know that conducting this particular experiment will release a toxic gas that will spread and kill everything within a 5 mile radius, This isn't the main point of the experiment, but it is a byproduct I know will occur. I strap on a gas mask, shrug, and do it anyway. Sure enough, the gas is released, and thousands of of people die. Surely I would be blamed for it, as I knew it would happen but did it anyway, would you defend me and say; "Hey, he didn't create the gas, he simply created the conditions in which that gas might be created, but he didn't make it". Of course you wouldn't, that makes no sense.
God didn't say, "Let there be sin", but he created it by creating the right conditions and allowing it to happen.
And thus, how can he be angry at us for sinning, when it is not really our fault that we sin, if he had not created the conditions for sin, it would not exist.
So, my question is, did God create sin?, if you believe "no", please justify it in light of all this
1) God created sin
2) God didn't create sin
3) God allowed sin to be created.
Each point has its problems:
1.1) As you said, it doesn't make sense for god to create sin and hold it against us
2.1) Then god's isn't as all powerful as it's said to be. Someone/thing else made sin. Then what's stopping this thing/person from creating its own way out of sin
3.1) See 1.1 = it doesn't make sense
This is why the popular concept of sin is illogical on every level IMO.
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Re: Did God Create Sin?
Post #103[Replying to post 97 by East of Eden]
Have you known what disobedience is from birth?
Did you know what disobedience was at birth?
How do you now know what disobedience is?
Have you known what disobedience is from birth?
Did you know what disobedience was at birth?
How do you now know what disobedience is?
Re: Did God Create Sin?
Post #104I know you were addressing Southern Cross so I hope you don't mind if I throw in my two cents. That's not Satan, that would be just a normal brain function. Evolution provided us with the capacity to doubt in order to more closely examine things in our search for truth. Doubt is not a crime.East of Eden wrote:
If you have a point to your word games let us know. As my passage said, God clearly told them to obey His laws on the tree, and the consequences that would follow. Satan used the same lie he uses today, saying, "Did God really say........?"

