True Messiah

[TheTruth101]

Copy and pasted from another thread.


This is going to be over your head in the beggining. And many members here as well.

The great serpeant or Satan is God (Yahweh) itself. The Angels are the ones that served the old God. (God Yahweh) old heavens and old earth etc. And new orders will be made. (as said in revelations)

Guess by who. The Messiah. Not Jesus, but the Holy Spirit.

Refer to this verse.

But we know where this man is from; when the Messiah comes, no one will know where he is from.

Gospel John 7:25-

At that point some of the people of Jerusalem began to ask, Isnt this the man they are trying to kill? 26 Here he is, speaking publicly, and they are not saying a word to him. Have the authorities really concluded that he is the Messiah? 27 But we know where this man is from; when the Messiah comes, no one will know where he is from.

28 Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, 29 but I know him because I am from him and he sent me.

You can see clearly here Jesus denying to be Christ. (All christians and the ignorant scholars made Jesus the messiah when he never claimed to be one)

Now, Jesus himself prophecised of the FINAL Apostle of God. The Messiah. (Which is the holy spirit)

John 14:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 And I will send you a helper which is the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him

Now compare the two verses. The upper verse states the people will not know the Messiah. The bottom scripture states the final prophet the holy spirit prophecised by Jesus, people will not know him.


DING! Holy Spirit is the Christ. Not Jesus.


Then, finally, we get the scripture

Blasphemy against the Father and the Son will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

The reason being, he's the new God. The Messiah who will bring new orders.

So in all, this basically means that the Holy Spirit will eventually get the reign passed over from the old creator as the new creator of the universe. Then, the new creator (holy spirit/messiah) will destroy the old God for the lawlessness acts done to him, then they will be peace for all eternity on earth because new orders will be in place.

What really happened I think is, Constantine wholeheardedly believed Jesus to be the Christ, and in turn, tried desperately to fit the scriptures making Jesus the messiah. But as clearly shown here, he is not, he is the begotten son of God, and that is it.

That is why ultiemately bible gets out of line at times and the followers of the church are confused about the holy spirit when non believers poses questions regarding the current concept of the churches regarding the holy spirit.

Here is the raw deal. Holy spirit and the Christ have NOT come yet.

[TheTruth101]

What's the practical difference between an embodied Holy Spirit messiah and a returned Jesus messiah?

Within the bible,

1. Father the creater Yahweh is noted as all and everything.
1. Jesus is noted as Alpha and Omega, beggining and end.
2. Holy Spirit is noted as True and the living One.
3. It is noted Jesus is the King of Peace. (Giving peace to all nations in the final days)
4. It is noted Holy Spirit is the King of War. (Conquering all nations in the final days)


It is reasonable to believe through the scriptures that holy spirit is not born annointed, but is chosen by the Father and Jesus after being born and living as a normal human being for most of his life.
Holy spirit is pretty much a man being made into a God by the Father and Jesus.

Also,

Jesus came for the sin of mankind.
Holy Spirit will come for the end of mankind.



In the book of Daniel, we have a description of what the holy spirit looks like in his SECOND everlasting body.

1. Hair like wool
2. Cross on his breast plate
3. Carries two edged sword
4. Face full of strength as the sun. Eyes of fire.
5. Bronze feet
6. He also holds the keys of death and Hades like Jesus. (Power)

It is also noted he is "like" the "Ancient days" (who is the creator/Father) but not exactly.
It is also noted his kingdom will be uncorruptable. And all will worship him forever.


Also, it should be noted the Jews rejected the first Messiah (Jesus) within this concept and is waiting for the second Messiah as their savior ( holy spirit).

For me personally, I can't see how that would work for the Jews since the very final messiah, holy spirit derives from Jesus (kind of like Jesus's own annointed one). And hence they crucified him.



That's it so far.

[TheTruth101]

[Replying to post 10 by Logomachist]


It is also noted that John fell at his feet dead when God the creator gave him a vision of the future prophet/messiah.

It is pretty conclusive to me at this point that there are two messiahs within trinity.

Jesus as the begotten son became a God (alpha and omega) after his crucifixion. So that would mean he is everything and all by the time holy spirit comes for the end of mankind. This would of ofcourse mean Jesus himself is a "spirit" at this point and will be "dwelling" with this "holy spirit/messiah" at the end times along with the creator (Yahweh)

This would eventually mean the creator (Yahweh) is the holy spirits grandfather, and Jesus is his Father sort of speak.

[TheTruth101]

[Replying to post 10 by Logomachist]


It is also noted that John fell at his feet dead when God the creator gave him a vision of the future prophet/messiah.

It is pretty conclusive to me at this point that there are two messiahs within trinity.

Jesus as the begotten son became a God (alpha and omega) after his crucifixion. So that would mean he is everything and all by the time holy spirit comes for the end of mankind.

This would mean God the creator is the holy spirits grandfather, and Jesus is his Father sort of speak.