Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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Tired of the Nonsense wrote: There are no (Christians present) in actual point of fact. None that will support the story of the death and resurrection of Jesus as a point of "logic, reason and critical thinking." Unless there happens to be a Christian newbe present that I am unaware of who wishes to tackle the job. None of the Christian regulars here will defend the story of the resurrection beyond a "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it," defense.
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Not so. None is all. I would defend it gladly. Logic and reason reveals what is most evident and what the Bible reveals is absolutely most evident. Start the thread up if you dare. Bring your best arguments.

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Re: Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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Mithrae wrote:
southern cross wrote:[Replying to post 47 by SelectThis!]
Will ya look at that, he can copy/paste with the best of 'em.
Was Jesus angry when he tipped over the tables and drove people out with a whip?
Could you explain how this contributes to evidence that Jesus was raised from the dead, or to evidence that Jesus was not raised from the dead.
Well yes, he was a sinless sacrifice to himself, but was in fact a sinner just like everyone else. Another myth destroyed by the myth itself.

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Re: Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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southern cross wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
southern cross wrote:[Replying to post 47 by SelectThis!]
Will ya look at that, he can copy/paste with the best of 'em.
Was Jesus angry when he tipped over the tables and drove people out with a whip?
Could you explain how this contributes to evidence that Jesus was raised from the dead, or to evidence that Jesus was not raised from the dead.
Well yes, he was a sinless sacrifice to himself, but was in fact a sinner just like everyone else. Another myth destroyed by the myth itself.
What is your evidence for supposing that he was a sacrifice to himself? What is your definition of sin? How does this relate to Jesus' alleged resurrection? Maybe you're assuming just a little too much, but I'm not following the reasoning here.

You're not just saying "some Christians think anger is sinful, therefore Jesus didn't rise from the dead" are you?

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Re: Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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Mithrae wrote:
southern cross wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
southern cross wrote:[Replying to post 47 by SelectThis!]
Will ya look at that, he can copy/paste with the best of 'em.
Was Jesus angry when he tipped over the tables and drove people out with a whip?
Could you explain how this contributes to evidence that Jesus was raised from the dead, or to evidence that Jesus was not raised from the dead.
Well yes, he was a sinless sacrifice to himself, but was in fact a sinner just like everyone else. Another myth destroyed by the myth itself.
What is your evidence for supposing that he was a sacrifice to himself? What is your definition of sin? How does this relate to Jesus' alleged resurrection? Maybe you're assuming just a little too much, but I'm not following the reasoning here.
That is probably because it is all myth and I'm pretending to give it the credence christians allegedly give it. Your confusion is therefore quite natural and nothing to concern yourself over. I hope I've helped.

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southern cross wrote:That is probably because it is all myth and I'm pretending to give it the credence christians allegedly give it. Your confusion is therefore quite natural and nothing to concern yourself over. I hope I've helped.
Ah, circular reasoning. Gotcha.

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Why does anyone assert that the writers of the New Testament are liars?

By what right or justification?

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Mithrae wrote:
southern cross wrote:That is probably because it is all myth and I'm pretending to give it the credence christians allegedly give it. Your confusion is therefore quite natural and nothing to concern yourself over. I hope I've helped.
Ah, circular reasoning. Gotcha.
Well I see I didn't. Ahh well some things are beyond some people. As I said, don't concern yourself over it, these are all just games of words. It's just that some can't understand them.
I do hope I helped this time.

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southern cross wrote:
Mithrae wrote:
southern cross wrote:That is probably because it is all myth and I'm pretending to give it the credence christians allegedly give it. Your confusion is therefore quite natural and nothing to concern yourself over. I hope I've helped.
Ah, circular reasoning. Gotcha.
Well I see I didn't. Ahh well some things are beyond some people. As I said, don't concern yourself over it, these are all just games of words. It's just that some can't understand them.
I do hope I helped this time.
> You asked if Jesus was angry in the 'clearing of the temple' incident.
> I asked how that question contributes positively or negatively to the OP topic of Jesus' resurrection.
> You asserted that Jesus was "a sinless sacrifice to himself, but was in fact a sinner just like everyone else."
> I asked how you know that, and how it's relevant.
> You asserted "it is all myth" and you were merely pretending to give credence to it.

I suppose we could call it presuppositional and dishonest rather than circular.
Just games of words, you say :confused2: At least you admit it.

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Re: Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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[Replying to post 66 by southern cross]

I have made some really large posts with lots of good evidence that is supported by logic, reasoning and probability. I have shown the events of our current history as directly connected to the power of the words of Christ. So far, no one has challenged my assertions with anything more than incredulity and bias.

I have much more that could be said, but if there is no use, I'll save it for another thread. So far, I see the challenge of the original poster met with evidence confirming the life of Christ.

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Re: Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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[Replying to post 68 by SelectThis!]

Applause meter reaching maximum measurement.

But alas, pearls before . . .

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Re: Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

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SelectThis! wrote: [Replying to post 66 by southern cross]

I have made some really large posts with lots of good evidence that is supported by logic, reasoning and probability. I have shown the events of our current history as directly connected to the power of the words of Christ. So far, no one has challenged my assertions with anything more than incredulity and bias.

I have much more that could be said, but if there is no use, I'll save it for another thread. So far, I see the challenge of the original poster met with evidence confirming the life of Christ.

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And I am so monumentally happy for you. I'm sorry I thought you were using biblical passages in your alleged evidence, I naturally scrolled through them. Did you consider them important? Because quite frankly as evidence they don't come within this universe of making the grade. But I see you did do an enormous amount of copy/paste and I congratulate you on that.

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