Can the Resurrection of Jesus be Defended

Tired of the Nonsense · Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:01 pm

Tired of the Nonsense wrote: There are no (Christians present) in actual point of fact. None that will support the story of the death and resurrection of Jesus as a point of "logic, reason and critical thinking." Unless there happens to be a Christian newbe present that I am unaware of who wishes to tackle the job. None of the Christian regulars here will defend the story of the resurrection beyond a "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it," defense.

SelectThis! wrote:
Not so. None is all. I would defend it gladly. Logic and reason reveals what is most evident and what the Bible reveals is absolutely most evident. Start the thread up if you dare. Bring your best arguments.

neptune1bond · Post by **neptune1bond** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:25 am

assisigirl wrote: neptune1bond asks:then the point for me is, why should I assume that God couldn't just because atheists find it hard to believe?

assisigirl: 1 simple question for you n1b

When it is a choice between the plausibly fantastic and the probably likely,why not just accept the probably likely? Are you so 'gun ho' on fantasy that you want to be religious? Is life that bad?

Far from it. Life for me is wonderful and God only adds to it for me. Some people would rather live as an atheist, and I have no qualms with that. I personally find God more likely than a cosmic accident and so for me, God happens to be the "probably likely." Why is that so unacceptable?

Iam · Post by **Iam** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:26 am

neptune1bond wrote:
Iam wrote: Is the god concept too amazing or far-fetched for me to believe or is it to simple minded to believe. I mean the simple minds of the people who created gods. They had no knowledge of their surroundings (see world) let alone a universe. The simplest solution is the existence of a god nothing spectacular about that if you can place yourself in their shoes.
So, let me make sure that I understand your point. Basically your argument is a really wordy version of,"yeah, well you're stupid and so is everyone like you!" Am I right?

Are you really accusing me of this? Didn't you read my post? If that is how your "mind" wants to interpret it then so be it. I would counsel another perusal fo what I wrote, I think it may change your mind. Please note the mention of ancient men without any knowledge of the world or the universe.

neptune1bond · Post by **neptune1bond** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:28 am

Iam wrote: I've copied what you said and altered it to reflect the storytellers you believe.
The automatic assumption that people make when something is beyond their comprehension is to call it GOD
This is the basis of all "belief in god" writings, isn't it?

I don't remember ever saying, but since you assume to know better than me, then can you please tell me which storytellers I claim to believe?

assisigirl · Post by **assisigirl** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:31 am

You talk a good game n1b, I'll give you that.

n1b:Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."

assisigirl: Go for the probably likely here, n1b, call them stars. If we cannot get it then stop looking for it in a yarn about a 1st Century Jew coming back from the dead as the son of a God. Why would the simple god that you seem to crave be the designer of Disney World???

neptune1bond · Post by **neptune1bond** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:34 am

Iam wrote: Are you really accusing me of this? Didn't you read my post? If that is how your "mind" wants to interpret it then so be it. I would counsel another perusal fo what I wrote, I think it may change your mind. Please note the mention of ancient men without any knowledge of the world or the universe.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood when you said that the God concept is too simple-minded to believe, but it does kind of imply that intention. Nonetheless, the point of the rest of my post was to show that many an intellectual did and does believe in a higher power. Would you like to respond to the rest of my previous post?

neptune1bond · Post by **neptune1bond** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:42 am

assisigirl wrote: You talk a good game n1b, I'll give you that.

n1b:Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."

assisigirl: Go for the probably likely here, n1b, call them stars. If we cannot get it then stop looking for it in a yarn about a 1st Century Jew coming back from the dead as the son of a God. Why would the simple god that you seem to crave be the designer of Disney World???

I should clarify that I don't personally believe in the divinity, nor necessarily the resurrection, of Christ (nor the bible for that matter). My version of God and his intentions for this world doesn't work that way. But I do try to aim my arguments (though rather unsuccessfully sometimes, since I get angry often) towards building bridges of tolerance and understanding. I'm a "can't we all just get along" kinda guy. I love what Jesus taught, and in that sense, I consider myself a half-Christian. I just happen to like the idea of "let the others have their resurrected Son of God if it makes them happy."

Iam · Post by **Iam** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:45 am

neptune1bond wrote:
Iam wrote: I've copied what you said and altered it to reflect the storytellers you believe.
The automatic assumption that people make when something is beyond their comprehension is to call it GOD
This is the basis of all "belief in god" writings, isn't it?
I don't remember ever saying, but since you assume to know better than me, then can you please tell me which storytellers I claim to believe?

The storytellers who produced thousands of years before the Torah was written. Surely you are aware that oral history and story's and legends existed well before mankind developed writing and therefor reading?
The storytellers who came up with a reason for the lights in the sky, for the animals they saw, for the land they saw. For their suffering and most importantly their DEATH.
These are the storytellers you believe, because someone put something in a book about these stories that said this is the word of the god that this tells you about. Here is god and here is his word. Without the one you can't have the other.

neptune1bond · Post by **neptune1bond** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:47 am

Iam wrote: The storytellers who produced thousands of years before the Torah was written. Surely you are aware that oral history and story's and legends existed well before mankind developed writing and therefor reading?
The storytellers who came up with a reason for the lights in the sky, for the animals they saw, for the land they saw. For their suffering and most importantly their DEATH.
These are the storytellers you believe, because someone put something in a book about these stories that said this is the word of the god that this tells you about. Here is god and here is his word. Without the one you can't have the other.

Ah, I see. And here I was thinking that I don't believe in the bible, but apparently you know me best. Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'll start going to church now, thanks.

Iam · Post by **Iam** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:49 am

neptune1bond wrote:
Iam wrote: Are you really accusing me of this? Didn't you read my post? If that is how your "mind" wants to interpret it then so be it. I would counsel another perusal fo what I wrote, I think it may change your mind. Please note the mention of ancient men without any knowledge of the world or the universe.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood when you said that the God concept is too simple-minded to believe, but it does kind of imply that intention. Nonetheless, the point of the rest of my post was to show that many an intellectual did and does believe in a higher power. Would you like to respond to the rest of my previous post?

I'm sorry but there is no implication at all. My post CLEARLY states the position that the god concept was created by simple minds (relatively speaking) who didn't understand their surroundings much less the universe. I made this claim in opposition to your claim that people like me can't understand the god concept is too amazing or far-fetched for me to believe

neptune1bond · Post by **neptune1bond** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:55 am

Iam wrote: I'm sorry but there is no implication at all. My post CLEARLY states the position that the god concept was created by simple minds (relatively speaking) who didn't understand their surroundings much less the universe. I made this claim in opposition to your claim that people like me can't understand the wonder and majesty of your god.

O.k., I see where we got off track. You see, I didn't say that anyone can't understand the wonder and majesty of my God. I was saying that atheists find God too "amazing and far-fetched." By that I simply meant that atheists don't believe in God because they don't find it plausible or realistic. Sorry if I was not clear.