The Problem with Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists

jessehove · Post by **jessehove** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:14 pm

Here is the similar problem with Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists as I see it:

http://mercyandmessiah.blogspot.ca/2013 ... lists.html

P.S. Notice I am using a specific definition of what Fundamentalism from a historical modern definition in Christianity and Islam respectively.

Iam · Post by **Iam** » Wed May 01, 2013 10:58 am

HaLi8993 wrote: Iam

I see you've had a drastic change in the story you are telling, but that is only natural. When intelligent questions are asked about your dogma you have no answers and so change the subject, when the new subject is questioned you change the subject again. Oh Well
Nice Try!!! What is the drastic change??? I have answered your questions and Islam has all the answers, unfortunately you have failed to grasp it. Don't worry I'm used to people resorting to accusations and character assassination attempts when they have nothing else left to say.

It wasn't a TRY. I actually quoted the difference between your arguments, for you to characterize that as character assassination is so disingenous as to be dishonest. Nevermind, I've encountered the muslim mind before.

Iam · Post by **Iam** » Wed May 01, 2013 11:40 am

Iam wrote:
HaLi8993 wrote: Iam

I see you've had a drastic change in the story you are telling, but that is only natural. When intelligent questions are asked about your dogma you have no answers and so change the subject, when the new subject is questioned you change the subject again. Oh Well
Nice Try!!! What is the drastic change??? I have answered your questions and Islam has all the answers, unfortunately you have failed to grasp it. Don't worry I'm used to people resorting to accusations and character assassination attempts when they have nothing else left to say.
It wasn't a TRY. I actually quoted the difference between your arguments, for you to characterize that as character assassination is so disingenous as to be dishonest. Nevermind, I've encountered the muslim mind before.

Just for clarification, how many times a day does satan whisper in your shell like? Is it only "believers" that he tempts or should I hear him as well? I've recently had tests and my hearing is perfect, my eyesight not so much. So given that my hearing is perfect and I have never heard this satan speaking to me, how would you defend your position?
Is satan tempting you with the unrighteous and obscene promise of unlimited sexual activity if you refrain from that behaviour on earth?
It would seem that satan has created your religion in order that the gullible will follow satan.
I know that you will deny this so I brought a quote from you in the 72virgins thread.

One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Wed May 01, 2013 9:30 pm

Iam

Just for clarification, how many times a day does satan whisper in your shell like? Is it only "believers" that he tempts or should I hear him as well? I've recently had tests and my hearing is perfect, my eyesight not so much. So given that my hearing is perfect and I have never heard this satan speaking to me, how would you defend your position?
Is satan tempting you with the unrighteous and obscene promise of unlimited sexual activity if you refrain from that behaviour on earth?
It would seem that satan has created your religion in order that the gullible will follow satan.
I know that you will deny this so I brought a quote from you in the 72virgins thread.
Quote:
One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise

I don't think there is a set number of times Satan whispers to a person a day according to my knowledge. When we say Satan whispers to a person this does not mean you hear Satan speaking to you, what it means is Satan misguides people by casting doubts and whispers into their hearts. For example getting an evil thought of some kind. Satan only whispers to people of faith, as for non-Muslims, he comes to him however he wants and does not limit himself to whispers, rather he toys with him however he wishes. You can say as you wish about Islam it only shows your ignorance and disbelief. We will see on the Day of Judgement those who mocked and ridiculed the believers and where they will stand, when their record is brought forth by their Lord. When the disbelievers will wish that they had followed the path of righteousness and had not been neglectful in this world and when they wish they could be sent back to follow what was prescribed for them. You only get one chance.

jessehove · Post by **jessehove** » Thu May 02, 2013 3:21 pm

I didn't even need to post my link. The Problem with Muslim and Christian Fundamentalists as seen before your very eyes in these posts...

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:23 am

jessehove

I didn't even need to post my link. The Problem with Muslim and Christian Fundamentalists as seen before your very eyes in these posts...

Yes, Jesse if you mean that Muslims apply the true meaning of the word. We Muslims do consider every word in the sacred texts as literal truth. So we are fundamentalists. This is not the case with Christians nor Atheists. Glad to be a fundamentalist!!

jessehove · Post by **jessehove** » Fri May 03, 2013 2:26 am

Last time I check a central tenet of both Islam and Christianity was Mercy...I am not seeing alot of that going on in this thread...

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Fri May 03, 2013 5:51 am

Jessehove

Last time I check a central tenet of both Islam and Christianity was Mercy...I am not seeing alot of that going on in this thread...

With regard to this Jesse, we as Muslims are commanded and Instructed to call people to affirm the Oneness of God and offer our wealth, time and selves for that purpose. This is only out of compassion and mercy towards all people, so as to save them from worshipping people and calling them to worship the Lord of all people, to save them from the constraints of this world and bring them to the abundance of this world and the Hereafter. If people get offended from straight forwardness then can't do much about that.

jessehove · Post by **jessehove** » Fri May 03, 2013 11:49 am

Oh see to me it did sound like you were calling people to repentance but being passively aggressively vengeful and petty...

"We will see on the Day of Judgement those who will be mocked and ridiculed"

Iam · Post by **Iam** » Fri May 03, 2013 12:10 pm

HaLi8993 wrote: Iam

Just for clarification, how many times a day does satan whisper in your shell like? Is it only "believers" that he tempts or should I hear him as well? I've recently had tests and my hearing is perfect, my eyesight not so much. So given that my hearing is perfect and I have never heard this satan speaking to me, how would you defend your position?
Is satan tempting you with the unrighteous and obscene promise of unlimited sexual activity if you refrain from that behaviour on earth?
It would seem that satan has created your religion in order that the gullible will follow satan.
I know that you will deny this so I brought a quote from you in the 72virgins thread.
Quote:
One of the best things that people long for in the Hereafter is, for men, the women of Paradise
I don't think there is a set number of times Satan whispers to a person a day according to my knowledge. When we say Satan whispers to a person this does not mean you hear Satan speaking to you, what it means is Satan misguides people by casting doubts and whispers into their hearts. For example getting an evil thought of some kind. Satan only whispers to people of faith, as for non-Muslims, he comes to him however he wants and does not limit himself to whispers, rather he toys with him however he wishes. You can say as you wish about Islam it only shows your ignorance and disbelief. We will see on the Day of Judgement those who mocked and ridiculed the believers and where they will stand, when their record is brought forth by their Lord. When the disbelievers will wish that they had followed the path of righteousness and had not been neglectful in this world and when they wish they could be sent back to follow what was prescribed for them. You only get one chance.

So this imaginary satan character toys with me, I mean how wonderful is this dude. I love, what do you do? If it's this satan dude who makes me love and it's the god dude who makes people hate, which side are you on?

HaLi8993 · Post by **HaLi8993** » Fri May 03, 2013 4:56 pm

Jessehove

Oh see to me it did sound like you were calling people to repentance but being passively aggressively vengeful and petty...

"We will see on the Day of Judgement those who will be mocked and ridiculed"

I wouldn't call this that at all, rather I would call it being straight forward and a confirmation of the truth. I do not speak of my own emotions rather I represent what the Quran stands for, this can be found in the Quran as follows:

QURAN:2:212

"Beautified for those who disbelieve is the life of this world, and they ridicule those who believe. But those who fear Allah are above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives provision to whom He wills without account."

QURAN: 6:5

"For they had denied the truth when it came to them, but there is going to reach them the news of what they used to ridicule."

QURAN: 6:10

"And already were messengers ridiculed before you, but those who mocked them were enveloped by that which they used to ridicule."

QURAN: 26:6

"For they have already denied, but there will come to them the news of that which they used to ridicule."

QURAN 30:10

"Then evil was the end of those who did evil, because they belied the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, Messengers, etc.) of Allah and made mock of them."