Non-Circular reasons for believing in the Bible.

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I often see people quote Bible verses about scripture when asked why they believe in the Bible. Of course arguing that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true is circular. Are there any non-circular reasons for believing in the Bible?

[1213]

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What makes you think that it is possible for the Earth to be formed before the sun? Why do you believe the Bible?

We don’t have any good reason to think it can’t be possible, that is why I think it is possible. I know that some think it is not possible, but they have no real evidence for it.

I have no reason not to believe the Bible. In my opinion it is correct about good and right and I agree with it and want to be faithful to God.

[help3434]

[Replying to post 97 by 1213]

What makes you think that it is possible for the Earth to be formed before the sun? Why do you believe the Bible?

We don’t have any good reason to think it can’t be possible, that is why I think it is possible. I know that some think it is not possible, but they have no real evidence for it.

I have no reason not to believe the Bible. In my opinion it is correct about good and right and I agree with it and want to be faithful to God.

We have very good reason to think that that is not possible. Have you ever studied astronomy or cosmology? Your reasoning is circular. What exactly did you find correct in it that led to you believe that it is the word of God?

[Ooberman]

[Replying to post 97 by 1213]

What makes you think that it is possible for the Earth to be formed before the sun? Why do you believe the Bible?

We don’t have any good reason to think it can’t be possible, that is why I think it is possible. I know that some think it is not possible, but they have no real evidence for it.

I have no reason not to believe the Bible. In my opinion it is correct about good and right and I agree with it and want to be faithful to God.

I agree you should be faithful to God, but which God? The Bible isn't the only game in town and it's proving to be impossible for Christians to tilt the argument in their favor against other faiths.

Make sure you're using the brain your God gave you and really think about the issues.

And hedge your bets, too. There might not be a God, or the one you think exists. Have a good plan B.

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We have very good reason to think that that is not possible.

What that reason is?

Have you ever studied astronomy or cosmology?

Yes I have read lot about those subjects

What exactly did you find correct in it that led to you believe that it is the word of God?

All that Bible tells seems to be correct, especially that what it says about right and wrong and righteousness. In my opinion it tells truth about people and I appreciate that. But I think you should understand, Bible is mainly about spiritual things.

[1213]

I agree you should be faithful to God, but which God?

I want to be faithful to God that I think is the most wise and reasonable. And because of what the Bible tells, I think no other god could be more wise and reasonable than Bible God.

I don’t care if other gods are real, because on my opinion it would not be reasonable to be faithful to them.

[help3434]

All that Bible tells seems to be correct, especially that what it says about right and wrong and righteousness. In my opinion it tells truth about people and I appreciate that. But I think you should understand, Bible is mainly about spiritual things.

So when in the Bible God asks Israel to commit Genocide, that seems right? What about Numbers 31, where God tells kill all the Midianites, including the male children and the non-virgin women, but to take the virgin women for themselves? That seems right? What about when God in the Bible declared the death penalty for gathering sticks, and the death penalty for a pledged women who didn't yell loud enough while being rape? Under the law of Moses an unmarried women that was raped was to marry the rapist. Does that seem right? What about the fact that Lord give the children of Israel rules for owning slaves? Do you think slavery is ever okay? What about Romans 9:13-22 where it talks about God arbitrarily making some people vessels of mercy, and some vessels of wrath fit to destroy, and we have no right to complain about it because to God we are just like clay is to a potter?

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If you read a lot about cosmology then you know about star and planet formation, which is completely contradictory to the Genesis account of creation.

[1213]

So when in the Bible God asks Israel to commit Genocide, that seems right? What about Numbers 31, where God tells kill all the Midianites, including the male children and the non-virgin women, but to take the virgin women for themselves? That seems right? What about when God in the Bible declared the death penalty for gathering sticks, and the death penalty for a pledged women who didn't yell loud enough while being rape? Under the law of Moses an unmarried women that was raped was to marry the rapist. Does that seem right? What about the fact that Lord give the children of Israel rules for owning slaves? Do you think slavery is ever okay? What about Romans 9:13-22 where it talks about God arbitrarily making some people vessels of mercy, and some vessels of wrath fit to destroy, and we have no right to complain about it because to God we are just like clay is to a potter?

Genocide: God has given life, so he has right to decide how long it lasts.

Virgin women for them: can be ok in that case.

Death penalty for gathering sticks: God has given life, so he has right to decide how long it lasts. Person who doesn’t obey/respect God would eventually compromise the future of that nation. That is why I understand they had strict rules. Also when there is no good reason to break the rules and all know them, it doesn’t matter what the judgment is, because no one has reason to do against them.

Silent rape: Reason for the judgment can be that no one should be silent in that situation unless she is willing also for that.

Marry the rapist: First I think it is good to know:
If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman: so shall you put away the evil from Israel.
Deuteronomy 22:22
But if the man find the lady who is pledged to be married in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her; then the man only who lay with her shall die:
Deuteronomy 22:25

So marrying is only in that case if both are virgin. In other cases there is death penalty for rapist, either because of rape or adultery.

In that time it could have been ok, if the rapist should marry. One good reason is that then he should also take care of the child.

If the rules are known, I don’t know any good reason to do against them. No one has good reason for rape and no one should do so. Rape is the problem, not the judgment.

Slaves: If other nations sell slaves, I don’t know any good reason why Jews wouldn’t have right to buy. Jews would treat them better than those who sell own people, if they obey God as all Jews should.

Personally I think people should do others as they want to be done to them. I don’t want to be slave, so I don’t keep anyone else as slave. And I think many modern people are more slave than any slave that Jews owned long time ago.

Clay & potter: We grow to something that we want to be. God gives the opportunity for us to grow and so he makes us. It doesn’t mean that he decides on behalf of us, it means he let us grow to form that we want. By giving opportunities God forms us to be something. I think it does not mean that God forces us to be something he only makes it possible for us to become something. For example God can give person opportunity to become king. But that what kind of king person is depends of people’s innermost (of what person wants) and the events that has happened in his life. And by letting certain things happen, God can influence to the end result, because he knows people well and knows what they will choose.

But, God gave also rules for judging and that job was only for those who God ordered to be judges. I think nowadays no one has right to judge according to the Law of Moses. And I think that is good, because most of them who know Law of Moses have not enough understanding for judging righteously, in my opinion.

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If you read a lot about cosmology then you know about star and planet formation, which is completely contradictory to the Genesis account of creation.

And most of it is completely human imagination without any real proof. If people can’t explain gravity, they can’t also really know enough about stars and planets.

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I really hope that you are not telling the truth about why you believe in the Bible, because if you are it does not say good things about your moral judgment.