Non-Circular reasons for believing in the Bible.

[help3434]

I often see people quote Bible verses about scripture when asked why they believe in the Bible. Of course arguing that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true is circular. Are there any non-circular reasons for believing in the Bible?

[Justin108]

I think it is best for the child that is probably consequence of the rape. The child would have both parents, because then his things could be taken care and he could have better chance to survive.

Again: not all rape victims end up pregnant. Yet the law makes no exception. What is your excuse for non-pregnant victims?

Do you think rapists make good parents? If my daughter were raped and ended up pregnant in those days, I would gladly raise her child with her. Extended family is a much better option than rapist. It was not uncommon in those days for fathers to have ten children and more. Why can't the extended family support the child? How could you even the rapist should raise the child?

It is possible that parents wouldn’t be happy, but the child is in my opinion more important than the parents.

It's important to have the child be raised by a rapist? In case you haven't noticed, rapists aren't the best of people. I doubt they make good fathers

I understand that you may think it is easy for man to go and rape the one who he wants to marry. And when it is possible that men would do so, if they have chance, I think women’s relatives should take care of women and protect them from being raped.

YOU'RE BLAMING THE FAMILY????? That's it. You sir are a disgusting individual. I'm done here.

[Iam]

God has given life, so he has right to decide how long it lasts.

So a married couple who has given life to their child should have the right to murder them as they please?

People can’t give life for anyone. People just let life continue, when they give gametes opportunity to unite. People give birth, not life.

I think all who support abortion support that parents should have right to kill own offspring. I don’t support abortion, because I don’t hate children so much that I would deny life from them.

But you hate women enough to consider that they deserve to be raped and should be forced to MARRY the animal that raped them. I hope that someone somewhere is making bullets with your name on them.
Yeah go on mods say nothing about this disgusting individual and his hatred and his support for abominations, but ban me for telling the truth.
Same sex marriage is so far beyond your concept of marriage that you could never approach it in a billion light years. What a cretin, IMO.

[Iam]

1213 said]

I said it can be ok in that case. All nations or people that God has sentenced to death have been people that don’t deserve to live. Those who God has spared have had some good quality for to continue live. Probably in that case those women have had right mind to be spared and in that case I think they would have accepted that what happened.

According to the holy book of despicable abominations that you worship, everybody has been sentenced to death by the cretinous sociopathic deity you fear beyond any reason, so you don't deserve to live either. On that at least I can agree with your pathetic imbecillic fantasy god.
Perhaps that's why you follow it like a rabid dog?

[Iam]

1213 said]

I said it can be ok in that case. All nations or people that God has sentenced to death have been people that don’t deserve to live. Those who God has spared have had some good quality for to continue live. Probably in that case those women have had right mind to be spared and in that case I think they would have accepted that what happened.

According to the holy book of despicable abominations that you worship, everybody has been sentenced to death by the cretinous sociopathic deity you fear beyond any reason, so you don't deserve to live either. On that at least I can agree with your pathetic imbecillic fantasy god.
Perhaps that's why you follow it like a rabid dog?

I'd like to apologise for these posts, I find myself in enormous physical pain ofttimes and it affects my behaviour.

[Goat]

I can't believe what I'm reading. You think it would be best for the woman to marry the man who just attacked her? Gee dating would have been easy in those days. Just walk up to - and rape who you want to marry and it's a done deal. I can't believe you find this justified. The Bible says nothing about "only if she ended up pregnant" so your "to take care of the child" excuse is out. But even if she was pregnant, do you think rapists generally make good fathers?

Exactly. A psychopath wouldn't have to get the permission from a single woman's father to marry her, he could just rape her and they would be forced to be married. It seems me to be a law that would led to more rape.

Well, you are making the error in thinking the torah is the whole of hte law.

In practice, the woman could say "NO" to the marriage. .. even if the money is paid over to her father. Now, if he was a sweet talker, and was trying to woo her by saying they would get married, well, he's done for, now isn't he.

[1213]

Again: not all rape victims end up pregnant. Yet the law makes no exception. What is your excuse for non-pregnant victims?

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

I think it is also good to remember, when God gave the rules for judges he said:
I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brothers, and judge righteously between a man and his brother, and the foreigner who is living with him. You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike; you shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me, and I will hear it.
Deuteronomy 1:16-17

I leave that judgment for God.

Do you think rapists make good parents? If my daughter were raped and ended up pregnant in those days, I would gladly raise her child with her. Extended family is a much better option than rapist. It was not uncommon in those days for fathers to have ten children and more. Why can't the extended family support the child? How could you even the rapist should raise the child?
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YOU'RE BLAMING THE FAMILY????? That's it. You sir are a disgusting individual. I'm done here.

If I have understood correctly, person who does adultery should be judged to death. Also if I have understood correctly, persons shouldn’t have sex before marriage. If these two are correct and people live according to them, then only rapist who can live after rape is virgin who has raped virgin. In that case I think that marriage could have succeeded in that time, although the beginning was not right. I also think it could be not likely thing to happen.

Also I think the rapist could become parent that is good enough to at least financially support the child and his mother. And for that purpose I think it has been right thing to let him live and be the husband with all responsibilities.

Extended family is ok, in my opinion and I think it is good if grandparents take care of their children’s children.

However also in this case it is good to notice that Moses gave also right to divorce. So, that marriage could have ended right at the beginning, if those two couldn’t have managed to be together. But I think it is always good if child can have both parents. No man can really replace child’s own father and it always leaves bad taste to childhood, although really bad father could leave even worse taste.

And I want to emphasize that I don’t think that any women deserves to be raped. And no one should rape anyone. And I do not hate women.

Also I don’t blame the family, I only say, family should protect own members. Of course that does not always succeed, but still I think it should be the goal. Rapist is always the guilty in my opinion and has no real excuses. But in some cases I think it is possible that something is called rape, even if it is not really so.

[help3434]

I think that most people that believe in the Bible believe in it because they first felt some attraction to some aspect of Christianity. This bond with Christianity leds many to feel compelled to defend the rest of the Bible. 1213, did you first read the Bible as a neutral and objective reader, or were you taught about Christianity before you read the Bible for yourself?

[99percentatheism]

I often see people quote Bible verses about scripture when asked why they believe in the Bible. Of course arguing that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true is circular. Are there any non-circular reasons for believing in the Bible?

Original sin. The depravity of man.

Probably the easiest aspects of humanity that shows the validity of Biblical reality.

How many people are perfect, peaceful and pure from the moment of birth to death?

There should be billions and billions as the default setting.

[help3434]

I often see people quote Bible verses about scripture when asked why they believe in the Bible. Of course arguing that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true is circular. Are there any non-circular reasons for believing in the Bible?

Original sin. The depravity of man.

Probably the easiest aspects of humanity that shows the validity of Biblical reality.

How many people are perfect, peaceful and pure from the moment of birth to death?

There should be billions and billions as the default setting.

How does the fact that people aren't perfect show that the Bible is true? In fact, I think that is a strike against the idea of a perfect creator. Why would a perfect being create fallible things? The story of the Fall in the Bible is far from the only explanation of why people aren't perfect. Why don't you believe those other explanations?

[99percentatheism]

I think that most people that believe in the Bible believe in it because they first felt some attraction to some aspect of Christianity. This bond with Christianity leds many to feel compelled to defend the rest of the Bible. 1213, did you first read the Bible as a neutral and objective reader, or were you taught about Christianity before you read the Bible for yourself?

If I may chime in, I read the bible intensely during my teenage years because I loathed the little Born-Againers and their ways.

My atheism came to an end (and I was a real atheist, not just a teen-angst or college enlightened wannabe) when I realized that the way things are protratyed in the Bible showcase the reality of the world. Ceratainly once I gave the New Testament an honest representation, it didn't look like what I was urged to believe from my atheist worldview.