The Lucifer rebellion

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The Lucifer rebellion

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The Leaders of Rebellion

(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you. Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned upon the holy mountain of God, the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifers transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michaels (Jesus) bestowal on Urantia. (Earth ) Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses resurrection, did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, the Judge rebuke you. Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness. Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The devil is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age. Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.

The above is from The Truth Book ( The Urantia Book ) : " The fifth epochal revelation of truth ".

The latest scientific estimate of the number of planets able to support life , in our Milky Way galaxy ALONE , is 19 BILLION. There are billions upon billions of galaxies in the Creation.
Does God control every single aspect of the Creation ? Is he a puppet-master ? Or is it more plausible that , as a loving Father , he has delegated most of the responsibilities for the upholdment of the Creation to his co-ordinates as well as to his devine children ?

According to The TB the Creation is wisely governed. At the center of it all is The Trinity of : God The Father , God The Eternal Son and God The Infinite Spirit. They abide on Paradise which is beyond time and space. Immediately surrounding Paradise is the " ONE and ONLY , PERFECT spiritual creation called Heaven.

At the present time there are 2 other realities in existence . Surrounding Heaven is the semi-spiritual reality called MORONTIA which extends from physical , in gradations , to almost pure spiritual. The lowest is our own physical reality. These other 2 realities are NOT PERFECT in nature like Heaven is.
These time-space realities are BECOMING perfect through EVOLUTION and EXPERIENCE !

The Devine Sons of God ( Creator Sons , Christs , ) create , and then administer , life in time-space realities. For that purpose they create many angels , arch-angels, Most Highs , Melchizedeks etc. and finally us. All the created intelligences in time-space are ascending to God through EVOLUTION and EXPERIENCE but because we are NOT created perfect , errors and mistakes are quite frequent.


The highest created intelligence to go astray , so far , are arch-angels.


What do you think ?


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I personally believe in a prime mover or creator that is an observer only and does not intervene into our lives.

You wrote..
At the present time there are 2 other realities in existence . Surrounding Heaven is the semi-spiritual reality called MORONTIA which extends from physical , in gradations , to almost pure spiritual. The lowest is our own physical reality.
There is absolutely no evidence regarding any of this. No one has any more information into the spiritual realms than anyone else and the Urantia texts in my opinion is sheer piffle, as are other supposed holy books. That which is offered without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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czyz wrote: I personally believe in a prime mover or creator that is an observer only and does not intervene into our lives.

You wrote..
At the present time there are 2 other realities in existence . Surrounding Heaven is the semi-spiritual reality called MORONTIA which extends from physical , in gradations , to almost pure spiritual. The lowest is our own physical reality.
There is absolutely no evidence regarding any of this. No one has any more information into the spiritual realms than anyone else and the Urantia texts in my opinion is sheer piffle, as are other supposed holy books. That which is offered without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


I guess that you think that all those people who have seen Christ after the resurrection , where he appeared among them out of thin air , were all delusional ?

I guess that you think that all the witnessed " miracles " Christ performed were also mass hysteria or maybe that he put some kind of a magic spell on the witnesses ? Maybe the recepients of the miracles just made up the whole thing ?

Can you prove that you are actually Czyz and not IBM's most advanced computer " Watson " ?

You can start your own thread and try to prove that you are actually human but untill you do , I am going to have to DISMISS you !!


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czyz wrote: I personally believe in a prime mover or creator that is an observer only and does not intervene into our lives.

You wrote..
At the present time there are 2 other realities in existence . Surrounding Heaven is the semi-spiritual reality called MORONTIA which extends from physical , in gradations , to almost pure spiritual. The lowest is our own physical reality.
There is absolutely no evidence regarding any of this. No one has any more information into the spiritual realms than anyone else and the Urantia texts in my opinion is sheer piffle, as are other supposed holy books. That which is offered without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


I guess that you think that all those people who have seen Christ after the resurrection , where he appeared among them out of thin air , were all delusional ?

I guess that you think that all the witnessed " miracles " Christ performed were also mass hysteria or maybe that he put some kind of a magic spell on the witnesses ? Maybe the recepients of the miracles just made up the whole thing ?

Can you prove that you are actually Czyz and not IBM's most advanced computer " Watson " ?

You can start your own thread and try to prove that you are actually human but untill you do , I am going to have to DISMISS you !!


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ttruscott wrote: Prfffffft.....
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PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Mchristos606 wrote...
I guess that you think that all those people who have seen Christ after the resurrection , where he appeared among them out of thin air , were all delusional ?

I guess that you think that all the witnessed " miracles " Christ performed were also mass hysteria or maybe that he put some kind of a magic spell on the witnesses ? Maybe the recepients of the miracles just made up the whole thing ?

Can you prove that you are actually Czyz and not IBM's most advanced computer " Watson " ?

You can start your own thread and try to prove that you are actually human but untill you do , I am going to have to DISMISS you !!
Who are these people you offer as witnesses to these events? Outside the four canonical gospels there is no writing or evidence of these events occurring. Does it not make sense that if someone rose from the dead, turned water into wine, or cured people that those events would be attested to by first century historians? Alas, there is nothing. One cannot use circular logic to make their case, "the accounts in the bible are authentic because the bible says they are authentic." No, you must do better than that.

Believers make the claim these events occurred. I simply doubt their authenticity. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim since the event occurs outside the natural world we experience daily on Earth. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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czyz wrote: Mchristos606 wrote...
I guess that you think that all those people who have seen Christ after the resurrection , where he appeared among them out of thin air , were all delusional ?

I guess that you think that all the witnessed " miracles " Christ performed were also mass hysteria or maybe that he put some kind of a magic spell on the witnesses ? Maybe the recepients of the miracles just made up the whole thing ?

Can you prove that you are actually Czyz and not IBM's most advanced computer " Watson " ?

You can start your own thread and try to prove that you are actually human but untill you do , I am going to have to DISMISS you !!
Who are these people you offer as witnesses to these events? Outside the four canonical gospels there is no writing or evidence of these events occurring. Does it not make sense that if someone rose from the dead, turned water into wine, or cured people that those events would be attested to by first century historians? Alas, there is nothing. One cannot use circular logic to make their case, "the accounts in the bible are authentic because the bible says they are authentic." No, you must do better than that.

Believers make the claim these events occurred. I simply doubt their authenticity. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim since the event occurs outside the natural world we experience daily on Earth. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The first sentence under the OP tells you where the quote came from. The Truth Book claims that it is the UNIVERSAL RECORD of what actually happened. For me , it is not only the plausibility but the probability that it is true , considering that it is the only book which unequivocally states that The Great Flood NEVER happened.

.8) 78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noahs flood, and thus to be in a better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah.(875.1) 78:7.4 The traditions of a time when water covered the whole of the earths surface are universal. Many races harbor the story of a world-wide flood some time during past ages. The Biblical story of Noah, the ark, and the flood is an invention of the Hebrew priesthood during the Babylonian captivity. There has never been a universal flood since life was established on Urantia. The only time the surface of the earth was completely covered by water was during those Archeozoic ages before the land had begun to appear.(875.2) 78:7.5 But Noah really lived; he was a wine maker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech. He kept a written record of the days of the rivers rise from year to year. He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many days the floods would come. Finally a year came in which the annual floods were greatly augmented by unusually heavy rainfall so that the sudden rise of the waters wiped out the entire village; onlyNoah and his immediate family were saved in their houseboat.

Science tells exactly the same thing as The TB. There are many other instances where The TB disagrees with The Bible and The Quran. It claims that it is the " revealed religion " , as opposed to man-made one. It also shows that EVOLUTION is true although it claims it is theistic in nature. Is it proof ? No ! Plausibility and probability ? Very much so !


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More pertinent info about the rebellion


1- Life Carries ( type of angels ) EVOLVED the first humans on this planet about 1 million years ago.

2- Lucifer , The System Sovereign , sends our Planetary Prince Caligastia ( The Devil ) to our planet Earth. That is a normal procedure for every inhabited planet. Our Planetary Prince , with an entourage of 100 helpers , arrived here 500 000 years ago. They are the bringers of civilization and they built their first city in what is today southern Iraq.

3- Besides bringing civilization , The Planetary Prince also proclaims the true gospel of Jesus Christ , our Creator-Father : " brotherhood of all and the fatherhood of God ".

4. As the OP states , Lucifer had other ideas and he convinced our Planetary Prince to join him. Out of 607 inhabited worlds in the Lucifer's system , 33 joined in the rebellion.

5- The rebellion occurred 180 000 years ago. Out of 100 that came here with The Devil , 60 joined him but 40 refused.

6- The next order of universe help came 40 000 years ago when Adam and Eve were sent here. Theirs was a biological upliftment mission but they failed due to The Devil deceiving Eve.

7- Spirituality speaking , our planet Earth was in dire straights , when our Creator-Father, Jesus Christ , chose it as the arena where to show the true character of God The Father. It is a requirement that each Creator Son must incarnate , and live a life of his created children for the purpose of gaining EXPERIENCE , so that he can be even wiser , understanding and more merciful ruler.

8- Preparing the way for Christ's incarnation was Machiventa MELCHIZEDEK , high-priest of Salem in the OT. That was 4000 years ago.

9- Christ incarnates 2000 years ago and defeats Lucifer , Satan and The Devil. Lucifer is immediatelly apprehended , Satan recently but owing to a judicial technicality , The Devil is still free.

10- The Truth Book is published in 1955 as the " revealed religion ". The order for the compilation of the book came from Gabriel .











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