The Lucifer rebellion

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The Lucifer rebellion

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The Leaders of Rebellion

(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you. Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned upon the holy mountain of God, the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifers transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michaels (Jesus) bestowal on Urantia. (Earth ) Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses resurrection, did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, the Judge rebuke you. Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness. Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The devil is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age. Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.

The above is from The Truth Book ( The Urantia Book ) : " The fifth epochal revelation of truth ".

The latest scientific estimate of the number of planets able to support life , in our Milky Way galaxy ALONE , is 19 BILLION. There are billions upon billions of galaxies in the Creation.
Does God control every single aspect of the Creation ? Is he a puppet-master ? Or is it more plausible that , as a loving Father , he has delegated most of the responsibilities for the upholdment of the Creation to his co-ordinates as well as to his devine children ?

According to The TB the Creation is wisely governed. At the center of it all is The Trinity of : God The Father , God The Eternal Son and God The Infinite Spirit. They abide on Paradise which is beyond time and space. Immediately surrounding Paradise is the " ONE and ONLY , PERFECT spiritual creation called Heaven.

At the present time there are 2 other realities in existence . Surrounding Heaven is the semi-spiritual reality called MORONTIA which extends from physical , in gradations , to almost pure spiritual. The lowest is our own physical reality. These other 2 realities are NOT PERFECT in nature like Heaven is.
These time-space realities are BECOMING perfect through EVOLUTION and EXPERIENCE !

The Devine Sons of God ( Creator Sons , Christs , ) create , and then administer , life in time-space realities. For that purpose they create many angels , arch-angels, Most Highs , Melchizedeks etc. and finally us. All the created intelligences in time-space are ascending to God through EVOLUTION and EXPERIENCE but because we are NOT created perfect , errors and mistakes are quite frequent.


The highest created intelligence to go astray , so far , are arch-angels.


What do you think ?


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Again, the claims you make are extraordinary and they require extraordinary evidence. A document stating "revealed truth" is suspicious for that very fact. Believe if it you wish but don't try and pass it off as truth to educated people.

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czyz wrote: Again, the claims you make are extraordinary and they require extraordinary evidence. A document stating "revealed truth" is suspicious for that very fact. Believe if it you wish but don't try and pass it off as truth to educated people.
I couldn't agree more . . . dogmatic texts are faith-based, they hold no truth except to their adherents.

IMO to get to the crux of any Lucifer Rebellion one must approach it psychologically and metaphorically.

The story of Lucifer was written by Christian theologian and Church Father Origen Adamantius (184/185 " 253/254). He is the first known person to use the word "Lucifer" in reference to Helel Ben-Shachar, or "Shining Son of Morning." He uses it to refer to the "most beautiful of Angels, most close to God." His name, however is true of his prime nature, not his fall to "Satan."

The "Fall" should be understood as the Spirit descended to Flesh. The vision of a cosmic struggle, forces of good contending against forces of evil, derived originally from Jewish apocalyptic sources and was developed by sectarian groups like the Essenes as they struggled against the forces they saw against them. God asks all the angels in heaven to bow before Adam, the new creation. Satan refuses to bow, believing obedience to humans to be idolatry against God, and is swiftly cast out of heaven for his disobedience. This is an example of self-sacrificing love, agape, martyr. But instead of sacrificing material for spiritual fulfillment, he sacrifices spirit for spirit.

Carl Jung saw the myth of figures such as the Lucifer/Satan archetype as expressing "the shortcomings of the world as conceived by the human soul." Lucifer/Satan "stands as the prototype of human civilizing effort."

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Cain--As usual, the truth is much more benign than the myth.

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czyz wrote: Again, the claims you make are extraordinary and they require extraordinary evidence. A document stating "revealed truth" is suspicious for that very fact. Believe if it you wish but don't try and pass it off as truth to educated people.


There are a lot of " educated people " who are NOT very intelligent ! They relish their " pet theories " despite all the evidence to the contrary. I am supposed to believe in the " holy books " which claim that the great flood occured when there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE for it !
Am I to believe Mr. Cain's assertion that we should approach the Lucifer question " psychologically and metaphorically " ? There is NO EVIDENCE to support his assertion !

The Truth Book , step by step and without any discrepancies , irregularities or contradictions , in plain English and with many scientifically derived FACTS , lays out the whens , whys , hows and whos of the whole Creation. Its 2100 hundred pages deal , in detail and LOGICAL explanation, with all aspects of the Creation. I'll take that over any mumbo-jumbo of your " educated people " !


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[Replying to post 14 by mchristos606]

What has led you to believe in such a strange book?

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Mchristos606 wrote...
The Truth Book , step by step and without any discrepancies , irregularities or contradictions , in plain English and with many scientifically derived FACTS , lays out the whens , whys , hows and whos of the whole Creation. Its 2100 hundred pages deal , in detail and LOGICAL explanation, with all aspects of the Creation. I'll take that over any mumbo-jumbo of your " educated people " !
Believe this or any other piffle, it matters not. You make many claims sir but have yet to substantiate anything, and trying to verbally bully others will not make your case.

I submit that one should respect those who seek the truth, and be very wary of those who claim they have found it.

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mchristos606 wrote:
czyz wrote: Again, the claims you make are extraordinary and they require extraordinary evidence. A document stating "revealed truth" is suspicious for that very fact. Believe if it you wish but don't try and pass it off as truth to educated people.
Am I to believe Mr. Cain's assertion that we should approach the Lucifer question " psychologically and metaphorically " ? There is NO EVIDENCE to support his assertion !
Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish, there are just better educated assumptions to the truth behind things than others.

When much of the Psychological community agrees that Archetypes are what we are dealing with when we embrace divinities and almost all the serious occultists agree, after reading rational explanations for these phenomenons instead of irrational supernatural entities in the sky stuff . . . when you assemble the data it points in the direction that mythology is full of Archetypes and metaphorical stories.

Here I am, a Luciferian (Magus III Ordo Luciferi) and I'm saying there isn't a Lucifer, that this is a Principle, an Archetype, a metaphorical model that has been reshaped and reborn like the Phoenix throughout history.

Can any of these Priests, Bishops, Popes, Fathers, etc. admit this, can they be honest about the truth? Of course not, because their systems are false and transparent, and they do everything they can to keep it hidden for fear the lie will be exposed.

#-o Heck, look at my pic . . . I even look more like Christ than any Pope! :eyebrow:

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In post # 10 more info was given on the rebellion. Not everybody in The Devil's entourage joined the rebellion. Please note the NAMES of the individuals involved.



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The Caligastia One Hundred after Rebellion

(757.4) 67:4.1 When the final roll was called, the corporeal members of the Princes staff were found to have aligned themselves as follows: Van and his entire court of co-ordination had remained loyal. Ang and three members of the food council had survived. The board of animal husbandry were all swept into rebellion as were all of the animal-conquest advisers. Fad and five members of the educational faculty were saved. Nod and all of the commission on industry and trade joined Caligastia. Hap and the entire college of revealed religion remained loyal with Van and his noble band. Lut and the whole board of health were lost. The council of art and science remained loyal in its entirety, but Tut and the commission on tribal government all went astray. Thus were forty out of the one hundred saved, later to be transferred to Jerusem, where they resumed their Paradise journey.(757.5) 67:4.2 The sixty members of the planetary staff who went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death, sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated to the north and the east. Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place as the land of Nod.(758.1) 67:4.3 The presence of these extraordinary supermen and superwomen, stranded by rebellion and presently mating with the sons and daughters of earth, easily gave origin to those traditional stories of the gods coming down to mate with mortals. And thus originated the thousand and one legends of a mythical nature, but founded on the facts of the postrebellion days, which later found a place in the folk tales and traditions of the various peoples whose ancestors had participated in these contacts with the Nodites and their descendants.

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The Family of Cain

16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch.


In post # 10 it shows the time-line of events. Even though The Biblical record was written down by humans around 600 BC , the " myth " of The Devil deceiving Eve was still strong. It persists to this day but in a very convulted form.




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kayky wrote: [Replying to post 14 by mchristos606]

What has led you to believe in such a strange book?

There is really nothing " strange " about the book. As you can see from the quoted parts , it is written in plain english so that everybody can understand it. No priests , imams , gurus or popes required !
What people find strange are 2 things :

1- sometimes the names used for planets , stars , galaxies etc are the names from the UNIVERSAL records. e.g. Urantia = Earth or Havona = Heaven.

2- Owing to such mass CONFUSION , DISCREPANCIES and CONTRADICTIONS in the " holy books " of the world's man-made religions , most of the people still LOVE their holy books even though it can be shown , without any doubt , that they are wrong. Instead of embracing the " revealed religion " they do what they have done before : crucify it !



The Truth Book ( Urantia Book ) is the most LOVING book the world has ever seen . Its 800 pages , out of 2100 , are devoted to Jesus Christ. After reading it , you will most certainly believe in Christ and you will understand why he is : The Way , The Truth and The Life .




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