Are there any here?

[Allahakbar]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

[arian]

Once again your lack of understanding is obvious. The BIBLE is a product of the catholics. You cannot disparage the catholics and then claim guidance from their creation, well if you want any credibility that is.

To what religion do you belong?

That is like asking an Evolutionist; how he became a scientist? .. lol
Now you can ask a scientist how he became an Evolutionist, or a Mormon, or a Catholic to see what his religious background is, and through what indoctrination he understands the Bible through, which in turn will explain why he believe in evolution in the first place?

Again, try re-reading what I wrote, and you will see in almost every post that I am against divine revelations, against religious doctrines, or theories. I don't follow Catholic teachings, only the teachings of a man who was born 2,000 years ago called Jesus of Nazareth, the long awaited Messiah, it is His teachings I follow.

You cannot find the God of the Bible in religion, nor can you clearly understand Jesus teachings influenced by religion, or religious indoctrination, just as you cannot define Big-bang Evolution by real science.

Like this;

Here is a monkey, hairy, swings in trees and eats bananas - science

The monkey evolved from a single celled bacteria over billions of years - evolution

When we look into space we see billions of stars, with a powerful telescope we see billions of galaxies with billions upon billions of suns in it at different distances. - science
The pretty red, blue, white and yellow stars look like as if it was some colorful gassy haze filling our universe - a kid taking up astronomy and looking at photos taken from Hubble, which is also science.

The red colors we see in the universe are galaxies moving away from us, thus our universe is expanding, which PROVES it was at one point a pin-sized rock residing in nothing before space-time was even created. This also proves that our universe is exactly 13.75 billion years old, and as it expands it creates more dark-matter which acts as a fabric of gravity which will slow this expansion down to a stop, then reverse itself and once again become a pin-sized dot residing in absolute-nothing until it disappears into a single quantum string, or a gravitational singularity, in either case it will once again become a purposeless meaningless 'nothing'. Of course by observing this red-shift we know this happens again and again to our universe untill all the dices line up again and create life in it that asks (for unknown reasons); "who am I, and why am I here?" - Big-bang Evolutionary theory trying desperately to hold on to their religious beliefs, .. just like any other religion would and does.

[Allahakbar]

Once again your lack of understanding is obvious. The BIBLE is a product of the catholics. You cannot disparage the catholics and then claim guidance from their creation, well if you want any credibility that is.

To what religion do you belong?

That is like asking an Evolutionist; how he became a scientist? .. lol
Now you can ask a scientist how he became an Evolutionist, or a Mormon, or a Catholic to see what his religious background is, and through what indoctrination he understands the Bible through, which in turn will explain why he believe in evolution in the first place?

Again, try re-reading what I wrote, and you will see in almost every post that I am against divine revelations, against religious doctrines, or theories. I don't follow Catholic teachings, only the teachings of a man who was born 2,000 years ago called Jesus of Nazareth, the long awaited Messiah, it is His teachings I follow.

You cannot find the God of the Bible in religion, nor can you clearly understand Jesus teachings influenced by religion, or religious indoctrination, just as you cannot define Big-bang Evolution by real science.

Like this;

Here is a monkey, hairy, swings in trees and eats bananas - science

The monkey evolved from a single celled bacteria over billions of years - evolution

When we look into space we see billions of stars, with a powerful telescope we see billions of galaxies with billions upon billions of suns in it at different distances. - science
The pretty red, blue, white and yellow stars look like as if it was some colorful gassy haze filling our universe - a kid taking up astronomy and looking at photos taken from Hubble, which is also science.

The red colors we see in the universe are galaxies moving away from us, thus our universe is expanding, which PROVES it was at one point a pin-sized rock residing in nothing before space-time was even created. This also proves that our universe is exactly 13.75 billion years old, and as it expands it creates more dark-matter which acts as a fabric of gravity which will slow this expansion down to a stop, then reverse itself and once again become a pin-sized dot residing in absolute-nothing until it disappears into a single quantum string, or a gravitational singularity, in either case it will once again become a purposeless meaningless 'nothing'. Of course by observing this red-shift we know this happens again and again to our universe untill all the dices line up again and create life in it that asks (for unknown reasons); "who am I, and why am I here?" - Big-bang Evolutionary theory trying desperately to hold on to their religious beliefs, .. just like any other religion would and does.

So your answer to the OP is NO!

[arian]

Seriously man, the current Pope accepts evolution, the previous Pope did, the one before him did. The current Bishop of Canterbury accepts evolutions, the previous one did, and the one before him did. Francis Collins, one of the leading scientists on DNA accepts evolution and he's a Christian. Ken Miller, one of the lead witnesses in the pro-evolution trials, is a devout Catholic.

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ, but follow many gods that reside in the supernatural realm? So your above comment holds no water at all.

So now it seems that if you want to do science, you have to be a part of Arian's religious belief system.


I should probably go post in the "Child Abuse" thread now. I feel rekindled, and sad.

LOL.. you funny buddy, as always.

Honestly though Clownboat, did you notice that none of you are able to think 'outside' of a religious belief system? I mean I am working hard here to show how religion can mess up the understanding of Bible-God and every other truths we seek after, like our observation of science is a good example, and how it can be shrouded in billion year old religious myths and fables. How can you NOT see that?

[arian]

So your answer to the OP is NO!

I say Yes.

Reason, ... religious indoctrination is a powerful tool, and the 'Christians' have been using it for 1,700 plus years, only it doesn't last as long as they hoped it would. The Catholics had a good thing going there for a while, no reading of the Bible was allowed for the common-folk, and they were scared into 'doing as we tell you'. But then no truths mixed with religious fairytale ever lasts, I mean the 38,000 versions of Christians alone should be enough evidence, not to mention the tens of thousands of other theistic and non-theistic religions.

Just look how much BB-Evolution has changed over the past few decades, even though they have just about wiped true science off the map, .. where when people hear evolution, they actually think 'science'. The same with 'Christian', people right away associate it with 'Christ-like' like it was meant in Acts.

Some same-religions, or religious denomination here can hold on being of the same mind for a few generations by using threat of hell, or some form of excommunication from family and friends, or even threat to their lives, but because it is not based on 'absolute truths', it usually breaks down where it either splits, or dies out like the Shakers/Quakers for instance.

So YES, you can find Christians that think alike on Bible-passages, Now if the interpretation is the 'absolute truth' as revealed in the Bible, then they will not be tolerated for long, and will be wiped out.
But if it's NOT in the 'absolute truth' as taught in the Bible, then they either change with the times to accommodate their followers, or eventually face a split, or in some cases simply die out.

I hope that answers your question?

[Allahakbar]

So your answer to the OP is NO!

I say Yes.

Reason, ... religious indoctrination is a powerful tool, and the 'Christians' have been using it for 1,700 plus years, only it doesn't last as long as they hoped it would. The Catholics had a good thing going there for a while, no reading of the Bible was allowed for the common-folk, and they were scared into 'doing as we tell you'. But then no truths mixed with religious fairytale ever lasts, I mean the 38,000 versions of Christians alone should be enough evidence, not to mention the tens of thousands of other theistic and non-theistic religions.

Just look how much BB-Evolution has changed over the past few decades, even though they have just about wiped true science off the map, .. where when people hear evolution, they actually think 'science'. The same with 'Christian', people right away associate it with 'Christ-like' like it was meant in Acts.

Some same-religions, or religious denomination here can hold on being of the same mind for a few generations by using threat of hell, or some form of excommunication from family and friends, or even threat to their lives, but because it is not based on 'absolute truths', it usually breaks down where it either splits, or dies out like the Shakers/Quakers for instance.

So YES, you can find Christians that think alike on Bible-passages, Now if the interpretation is the 'absolute truth' as revealed in the Bible, then they will not be tolerated for long, and will be wiped out.
But if it's NOT in the 'absolute truth' as taught in the Bible, then they either change with the times to accommodate their followers, or eventually face a split, or in some cases simply die out.

I hope that answers your question?

Yes it does and my interpretation was correct. Your answer to the OP is NO. Just read your post if in doubt.

[Clownboat]

Seriously man, the current Pope accepts evolution, the previous Pope did, the one before him did. The current Bishop of Canterbury accepts evolutions, the previous one did, and the one before him did. Francis Collins, one of the leading scientists on DNA accepts evolution and he's a Christian. Ken Miller, one of the lead witnesses in the pro-evolution trials, is a devout Catholic.

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ, but follow many gods that reside in the supernatural realm? So your above comment holds no water at all.

So now it seems that if you want to do science, you have to be a part of Arian's religious belief system.


I should probably go post in the "Child Abuse" thread now. I feel rekindled, and sad.

LOL.. you funny buddy, as always.

Honestly though Clownboat, did you notice that none of you are able to think 'outside' of a religious belief system? I mean I am working hard here to show how religion can mess up the understanding of Bible-God and every other truths we seek after, like our observation of science is a good example, and how it can be shrouded in billion year old religious myths and fables. How can you NOT see that?

I think you need to correct your thinking on science being a religion. I know you want a level playing field, but it is dishonest IMO to redefine words in order to try to do so.

Next, you will be invoking "faith" as being a part of science?

re-li-gion noun i-li-jn

Definition of RELIGION

1
a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

[dbohm]

The premise of the OP seems to be that if Christians differ in their interpretation of Scripture this reflects badly on Scripture's claim to be the word of God.

Well the Bible's not a recipe book or a Math's textbook so its not likely that everyone's going to have the same level of understanding or get the same out of it. It may be helpful to study some foundational texts on scriptural interpretation such as Augustine's On Christine Doctrine. In it he discusses allegorical, numerological and literal interpretations of scripture. He also makes the interesting point that a number of different interpretations of scriptural passages can all be correct at the same time.

Personally the meaning of some passages of scripture have changed for me or taken on new colouring as I have continued my learning and Christian walk.

This is not to say that some interpretations are not false and at variance with orthodox Christian belief, but it is definitely to say that Scripture is multifaceted and richly nuanced.

[Allahakbar]

The premise of the OP seems to be that if Christians differ in their interpretation of Scripture this reflects badly on Scripture's claim to be the word of God.

Well the Bible's not a recipe book or a Math's textbook so its not likely that everyone's going to have the same level of understanding or get the same out of it. It may be helpful to study some foundational texts on scriptural interpretation such as Augustine's On Christine Doctrine. In it he discusses allegorical, numerological and literal interpretations of scripture. He also makes the interesting point that a number of different interpretations of scriptural passages can all be correct at the same time.

Personally the meaning of some passages of scripture have changed for me or taken on new colouring as I have continued my learning and Christian walk.

This is not to say that some interpretations are not false and at variance with orthodox Christian belief, but it is definitely to say that Scripture is multifaceted and richly nuanced.

And according to the fire and brimstone biblicals it is to be interpreted just one way and they can't even agree on which way. If there are many different correct interpretations then why are there 38000 sects of christianity and billions of interpretations and are all interpretations a valid ticket to heaven?

Examples.
God created satan, no god din't create satan.
God created hell, no god didn't create hell.
God will send sinners to hell there is no such thing as hell. (even though jesus visited it)
God created sin no god didn't create sin.
blah blah blah
God created everything of course he did.
God is omniscient and omnipresent: Lucifer where have you been? Adam what have you done?

[dbohm]

The premise of the OP seems to be that if Christians differ in their interpretation of Scripture this reflects badly on Scripture's claim to be the word of God.

Well the Bible's not a recipe book or a Math's textbook so its not likely that everyone's going to have the same level of understanding or get the same out of it. It may be helpful to study some foundational texts on scriptural interpretation such as Augustine's On Christine Doctrine. In it he discusses allegorical, numerological and literal interpretations of scripture. He also makes the interesting point that a number of different interpretations of scriptural passages can all be correct at the same time.

Personally the meaning of some passages of scripture have changed for me or taken on new colouring as I have continued my learning and Christian walk.

This is not to say that some interpretations are not false and at variance with orthodox Christian belief, but it is definitely to say that Scripture is multifaceted and richly nuanced.

And according to the fire and brimstone biblicals it is to be interpreted just one way and they can't even agree on which way. If there are many different correct interpretations then why are there 38000 sects of christianity and billions of interpretations and are all interpretations a valid ticket to heaven?

There is much more agreement than disagreement.

If you wish to caricature Christianity and contrast one fundamentalist sect against another that's your prerogative.

[Allahakbar]

The premise of the OP seems to be that if Christians differ in their interpretation of Scripture this reflects badly on Scripture's claim to be the word of God.

Well the Bible's not a recipe book or a Math's textbook so its not likely that everyone's going to have the same level of understanding or get the same out of it. It may be helpful to study some foundational texts on scriptural interpretation such as Augustine's On Christine Doctrine. In it he discusses allegorical, numerological and literal interpretations of scripture. He also makes the interesting point that a number of different interpretations of scriptural passages can all be correct at the same time.

Personally the meaning of some passages of scripture have changed for me or taken on new colouring as I have continued my learning and Christian walk.

This is not to say that some interpretations are not false and at variance with orthodox Christian belief, but it is definitely to say that Scripture is multifaceted and richly nuanced.

And according to the fire and brimstone biblicals it is to be interpreted just one way and they can't even agree on which way. If there are many different correct interpretations then why are there 38000 sects of christianity and billions of interpretations and are all interpretations a valid ticket to heaven?

There is much more agreement than disagreement.

If you wish to caricature Christianity and contrast one fundamentalist sect against another that's your prerogative.

You didn't answer my questions!