Lot's two virgin daughters thrown to the mob

[Angel song]

In Genesis 19:1-11 we read that Lot threw his two virgin daughters to the mob of Sodom to do with as they pleased rather than have his two male guests violated.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain his actions (not to mention the ethics of his act) given that virginity was highly prized at that time and not being a virgin virtually made a previously unmarried female unmarriageable.

Okay, I'm aware that the societal culture was highly patriarchal at that time in history but I still can't really understand his actions or how we should interpret this particular piece of scripture today.

Can anyone offer some insights?

[Sonofason]

In Genesis 19:1-11 we read that Lot threw his two virgin daughters to the mob of Sodom to do with as they pleased rather than have his two male guests violated.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain his actions (not to mention the ethics of his act) given that virginity was highly prized at that time and not being a virgin virtually made a previously unmarried female unmarriageable.

Okay, I'm aware that the societal culture was highly patriarchal at that time in history but I still can't really understand his actions or how we should interpret this particular piece of scripture today.

Can anyone offer some insights?

Perhaps you forget that Lot's daughters never left the house. And Lot did not throw his virgin daughters to the mob as you have said. Perhaps you will recall, that the homosexuals outside the house had no desire for the young women. Perhaps Lot knew that they were homosexuals. How could he not. They wanted to have their way with men. Honestly, offering your virgin daughter to a homosexual is really something of little consequence. Perhaps Lot knew that saying such a thing would not accomplish very much. Perhaps Lot was simply antagonizing those homosexuals outside because of their utter depravity. Who knows? But you should also recall that the daughters remained safe, and the homosexuals outside ended up being smitten with blindness.

Would things have turned out better had Lot tossed the men of God outside to the mob? I think not. I think it all turned out just as it should have. God's ways are always the best ways. Faith in God is unstoppable.

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In Genesis 19:1-11 we read that Lot threw his two virgin daughters to the mob of Sodom to do with as they pleased rather than have his two male guests violated.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain his actions (not to mention the ethics of his act) given that virginity was highly prized at that time and not being a virgin virtually made a previously unmarried female unmarriageable.

Okay, I'm aware that the societal culture was highly patriarchal at that time in history but I still can't really understand his actions or how we should interpret this particular piece of scripture today.

Can anyone offer some insights?

Perhaps you forget that Lot's daughters never left the house. And Lot did not throw his virgin daughters to the mob as you have said. Perhaps you will recall, that the homosexuals outside the house had no desire for the young women. Perhaps Lot knew that they were homosexuals. How could he not. They wanted to have their way with men. Honestly, offering your virgin daughter to a homosexual is really something of little consequence. Perhaps Lot knew that saying such a thing would not accomplish very much. Perhaps Lot was simply antagonizing those homosexuals outside because of their utter depravity. Who knows? But you should also recall that the daughters remained safe, and the homosexuals outside ended up being smitten with blindness.

Would things have turned out better had Lot tossed the men of God outside to the mob? I think not. I think it all turned out just as it should have. God's ways are always the best ways. Faith in God is unstoppable.

Who said they were homosexuals, according to GOD they were unrighteous and that was why they were destroyed. How does wanting to fornicate with an angel define someone as homosexual? Pretty stupid conclusion, I think.
Besides, good old righteous Lot wanted to fornicate and impregnate his virgin daughters himself.
What a righteous man did your god save. This god of yours considered Lot righteous and destroyed innocent born and unborn babies for their unrighteousness. It is patently obvious from this fable that this god you believe in couldn't tell righteousness from scabies.

[Sonofason]

In Genesis 19:1-11 we read that Lot threw his two virgin daughters to the mob of Sodom to do with as they pleased rather than have his two male guests violated.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain his actions (not to mention the ethics of his act) given that virginity was highly prized at that time and not being a virgin virtually made a previously unmarried female unmarriageable.

Okay, I'm aware that the societal culture was highly patriarchal at that time in history but I still can't really understand his actions or how we should interpret this particular piece of scripture today.

Can anyone offer some insights?

Perhaps you forget that Lot's daughters never left the house. And Lot did not throw his virgin daughters to the mob as you have said. Perhaps you will recall, that the homosexuals outside the house had no desire for the young women. Perhaps Lot knew that they were homosexuals. How could he not. They wanted to have their way with men. Honestly, offering your virgin daughter to a homosexual is really something of little consequence. Perhaps Lot knew that saying such a thing would not accomplish very much. Perhaps Lot was simply antagonizing those homosexuals outside because of their utter depravity. Who knows? But you should also recall that the daughters remained safe, and the homosexuals outside ended up being smitten with blindness.

Would things have turned out better had Lot tossed the men of God outside to the mob? I think not. I think it all turned out just as it should have. God's ways are always the best ways. Faith in God is unstoppable.

Who said they were homosexuals, according to GOD they were unrighteous and that was why they were destroyed. How does wanting to fornicate with an angel define someone as homosexual? Pretty stupid conclusion, I think.
Besides, good old righteous Lot wanted to fornicate and impregnate his virgin daughters himself.
What a righteous man did your god save. This god of yours considered Lot righteous and destroyed innocent born and unborn babies for their unrighteousness. It is patently obvious from this fable that this god you believe in couldn't tell righteousness from scabies.

Look, heterosexual men who do not have homosexual tendencies do not try to force themselves on other men, even if they were to have the tendencies of a rapist. Only persons with homosexual tendencies would do such a thing. I am not nearly suggesting that homosexuals tend to force themselves on other men, but that if men were desirous of forcing themselves on other men then they must, by definition, be homosexuals. The Bible doesn't have to spell it out. I am fully capable of reading between those lines.

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

But you already know this. So why do you, defile the name and religion of atheism by trying to cast darkness on the light? Why do you deliberately tell lies in an attempt to make that which is good seem to be something bad? Why would you desire to defile the names of good people? Well, I know why. You don't have to answer. We'll just keep that to ourselves, okay?

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In Genesis 19:1-11 we read that Lot threw his two virgin daughters to the mob of Sodom to do with as they pleased rather than have his two male guests violated.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain his actions (not to mention the ethics of his act) given that virginity was highly prized at that time and not being a virgin virtually made a previously unmarried female unmarriageable.

Okay, I'm aware that the societal culture was highly patriarchal at that time in history but I still can't really understand his actions or how we should interpret this particular piece of scripture today.

Can anyone offer some insights?

Perhaps you forget that Lot's daughters never left the house. And Lot did not throw his virgin daughters to the mob as you have said. Perhaps you will recall, that the homosexuals outside the house had no desire for the young women. Perhaps Lot knew that they were homosexuals. How could he not. They wanted to have their way with men. Honestly, offering your virgin daughter to a homosexual is really something of little consequence. Perhaps Lot knew that saying such a thing would not accomplish very much. Perhaps Lot was simply antagonizing those homosexuals outside because of their utter depravity. Who knows? But you should also recall that the daughters remained safe, and the homosexuals outside ended up being smitten with blindness.

Would things have turned out better had Lot tossed the men of God outside to the mob? I think not. I think it all turned out just as it should have. God's ways are always the best ways. Faith in God is unstoppable.

Who said they were homosexuals, according to GOD they were unrighteous and that was why they were destroyed. How does wanting to fornicate with an angel define someone as homosexual? Pretty stupid conclusion, I think.
Besides, good old righteous Lot wanted to fornicate and impregnate his virgin daughters himself.
What a righteous man did your god save. This god of yours considered Lot righteous and destroyed innocent born and unborn babies for their unrighteousness. It is patently obvious from this fable that this god you believe in couldn't tell righteousness from scabies.

Look, heterosexual men who do not have homosexual tendencies do not try to force themselves on other men, even if they were to have the tendencies of a rapist. Only persons with homosexual tendencies would do such a thing. I am not nearly suggesting that homosexuals tend to force themselves on other men, but that if men were desirous of forcing themselves on other men then they must, by definition, be homosexuals. The Bible doesn't have to spell it out. I am fully capable of reading between those lines.

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

But you already know this. So why do you, defile the name and religion of atheism by trying to cast darkness on the light? Why do you deliberately tell lies in an attempt to make that which is good seem to be something bad? Why would you desire to defile the names of good people? Well, I know why. You don't have to answer. We'll just keep that to ourselves, okay?

Here, I think, rests the truth of the religious. Gods word resides in ones imagination of what is meant by what is not written.

[Strider324]

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

Really? Lot was too drunk to even recognize his own daughters while having sex with them....but not too drunk to get an erection and HAVE sex....twice.

OK.

[10CC]

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

Really? Lot was too drunk to even recognize his own daughters while having sex with them....but not too drunk to get an erection and HAVE sex....twice.

OK.

I have had this discussion elsewhere, it seems that those who believe this tripe don't know what drunk is. Go figure.

[Goat]

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

Really? Lot was too drunk to even recognize his own daughters while having sex with them....but not too drunk to get an erection and HAVE sex....twice.

OK.

I have had this discussion elsewhere, it seems that those who believe this tripe don't know what drunk is. Go figure.

When it comes to certain types of abuse, it seems that the perpetrator always blames the victim for tempting him... and when I read that story, that is exactly what I thought of.

[Sonofason]

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

Really? Lot was too drunk to even recognize his own daughters while having sex with them....but not too drunk to get an erection and HAVE sex....twice.

OK.

There is nothing wrong with having sex with your daughter, except for this: God said don't do it. That's the only good reason we ought not have sex with our daughters. Ever hear of a condom? You can have sex with your daughter all day long, and not have defective children. Just use a condom, and sex with your daughter is just fine, except, God says, don't do it.

Man says don't do it either, but I never listen to the rules of men. I do what I want. I do it when I want. And when I break the laws of men, I just don't get caught.

[Goat]

I feel I must make you aware of something, Lot did not want to have sex with his daughters. Lot was tricked by his daughters into having sex with them. He did not know who they were at the time. That was trickery by Lot's daughters. And I can't say I blame them. They wanted children. They got children. And lot was innocent through it all.

Really? Lot was too drunk to even recognize his own daughters while having sex with them....but not too drunk to get an erection and HAVE sex....twice.

OK.

There is nothing wrong with having sex with your daughter, except for this: God said don't do it. That's the only good reason we ought not have sex with our daughters. Ever hear of a condom? You can have sex with your daughter all day long, and not have defective children. Just use a condom, and sex with your daughter is just fine, except, God says, don't do it.

Man says don't do it either, but I never listen to the rules of men. I do what I want. I do it when I want. And when I break the laws of men, I just don't get caught.

If you break the 'laws of men', you break the laws of the New Testament.

Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves. 3 For those ruling are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you, then, want to have no fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; 4 for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear: for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword; for it is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath upon the one practicing what is bad. 5 There is therefore compelling reason for YOU people to be in subjection, not only on account of that wrath but also on account of [YOUR] conscience. 6 For that is why YOU are also paying taxes; for they are God’s public servants constantly serving this very purpose. 7 Render to all their dues, to him who [calls for] the tax, the tax; to him who [calls for] the tribute, the tribute; to him who [calls for] fear, such fear; to him who [calls for] honor, such honor

[Sonofason]

[Replying to post 19 by Goat]

Goat wrote:

If you break the 'laws of men', you break the laws of the New Testament.

Exactly. If you obey God, you will never be held in judgement by anyone.