Was Hitler a Christian?

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Was Hitler a Christian?

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Was Hitler a Christian?

What was the Swastika and what religion did it represent?

From The Occult History of The Third Reich:

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/thirdreichDVD.html
Eugenics motivated a culture of death in Nazi Germany. Their objective was to "save" mankind from the impure gene-pool by eliminating the sickly, undesirables, retarded, old or infirm, and help the Darwinian "survival of the fittest" along. They were actively molding the human species into their image of a pure race by elimination of all but "Aryan" stock. Every "doctrine" of the Third Reich can be traced to the Thule Society, which promoted myths of Atlantis, a race of super men, a hollow-Earth theory, and that the Aryan race didn't originate on the Earth, but came from Aldebaran in Taurus -- (sixty-five light years away). Anti-Semitism and the occult were central characteristics of the Nazi Party.

While Nazism applied a genetic approach to Darwinian ideas, Communism applied economics to the Darwinian principles. So, both Nazism and Communism were logical results of Darwinism, and their views resulted in millions upon millions of deaths. The Nazi Jesuit Father Himmler used the Jesuit organizational scheme as the model for the "SS". Hitler commented: "I can see Himmler as our Ignatius of Loyola."
The following sounds eerily similar to the common secularist argument about Christianity of 2006 Europe and America and socialists of today the world over.

So "how" was Hitler a Christian?

The Gospel of Christ should be the arbiter of that truth should it not?
Was Hitler a Christian?

http://freemasonrywatch.org/was_hitler_a_christian.html

The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.

(p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday: It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

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Well, yeah, but it's still love. Substitute "people" for "country" and you have something a little more christian-sounding. "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer", right?

'Ein' means 'one'.

That means that Hitler's 'love' is limited. Jesus teaches love for everyone, even for enemies. I'm certain that Hitler didn't love the Jews, for example.

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meeble wrote:Well, yeah, but it's still love. Substitute "people" for "country" and you have something a little more christian-sounding. "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer", right?

'Ein' means 'one'.

That means that Hitler's 'love' is limited. Jesus teaches love for everyone, even for enemies. I'm certain that Hitler didn't love the Jews, for example.
But Jesus didn´t love anyone going against him, lets say, atheists. So that would be wrong. Atheism is the only thing that can not be forgiven remember.

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But Jesus didn´t love anyone going against him, lets say, atheists. So that would be wrong. Atheism is the only thing that can not be forgiven remember.

The only possible objection to atheism that I've found in the Bible is that it is foolish but I'm not convinced that the Bible explicitly deals with atheism as a concept. Anyone who didn't believe in the God of the Bible during that time were more likely to have believed in other Gods and would, therefore, be seen as idolaters.

Interestingly enough, Nazism was arguably Hitler's most prominent religious affiliation so, according to Biblical standards, perhaps we can call him an idol worshipper.

Leni Riefenstahl's 'Triumph des Willens' has some really good images displaying Nazism's religious undertones:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... en%26lr%3D

This image reminds me of a giant open-air church service.

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The only possible objection to atheism that I've found in the Bible is that it is foolish but I'm not convinced that the Bible explicitly deals with atheism as a concept. Anyone who didn't believe in the God of the Bible during that time were more likely to have believed in other Gods and would, therefore, be seen as idolaters.
Im not in the mood to find the passage, but if i remember, it states clearly that one certain thing is unforgivable (you cant be forgiven), and thats the denial of the Holy Spirit/God/Jesus.

Dont remember where it says, i know it states it very clear.


p.s that would mean all atheist and/or other religious affiliations, and it can not be changed, they are all doomed, and accepting jesus cant change that.

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What the Bible says about Non-Christians

They are without God.


"Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." -- 2 John 9

They are all antichrists.

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." -- 2 John 7

They should be shunned. Neither marry nor be friends with them.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what
part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from
among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." -- 2 Cor.6:14-17

They should be killed.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or
the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not
known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are
round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto
him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt
thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first
upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10
This was all I could find.
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Master Coelacanth wrote:But we are not discussing Heidegger, Heidegger is totally irrelevant, we are discussing Hitler, and the facts remain.
I think Heidegger's conversion to atheism might have been related to Nazism. For example, I purchased "Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944," and it seems that Hitler is periously close to atheism (although I think he was either a agnostic or deist from his quotes):
That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions... Being weighed down by a superstitious past, men are afraid of things that can't, or can't yet, be explained--that is to say, of the unknown. If anyone has needs of a metaphysical nature, I can't satisfy them with the Party's programme. Time will go by until the moment when science can answer all the questions. (ibid, p. 49)
Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (ibid, p. 7)
One may ask whether the disappearance of Christianity would entail the disappearance of belief in God. That's not to be desired. The notion of divinity gives most men the opportunity to concretise the feeling they have of supernatural realities. Why should we destroy this wonderful power they have of incarnating the feeling for the divine that is within them?... If at this moment we were to eliminate the religions by force, the people would unanimously beseech us for a new form of worship... I envisage the future, therefore, as follows: First of all, to each man his private creed. Superstition shall not lose its rights. The Party is sheltered from the danger of competing with the religions. These latter must simply be forbidden from interfering in future with temporal matters. From the tenderest age, education will be imparted in such a way that each child will know all that is important to the maintenance of the State. As for the men close to me, who, like me, have escaped the clutches of dogma, I've no reason to fear that the Church will get its hooks on them. (ibid, p. 51)
The present system of teaching in schools permits the following absurdity: at 10 a.m. the pupils attend a lesson in the catechism, at which the creation of the world is presenteed to them in accordance with the teaching of the Bible; and at 11 a.m. they attend a lesson in natural science, at which they are taught the theory of evolution. Yet the two doctrines are in complete contradiction. As a child, I suffered from this contradiction, and ran my head against a wall. Often I complained to one or another of my teachers against what I had been taught an hour before--and I remember that I drove them to despair... Religion draws all the profit that can be drawn from the fact that that science postulates the search for, and not the certain knowledge of, the truth. Let's compare science to a ladder. On every rung, one beholds a wider landscape. But science does not claim to know the essence of things. When science finds that it has to revise one or another notion that it had believed to be definitive, at once religion gloats and declares: "We told you so!" To say that is to forget that it's in the nature of science to behave itself thus. For if it decided to assume a dogmatic air, it would itself become a church.(ibid, p.69).
So, based on my reading of these conversations (a pretty extensive book that let's us see the sick mind of Hitler), I'd have to say that in terms of God's existence he's a deist (meaning that God set up the laws), but he is skeptical with regard to our ability to know anything about metaphysical issues. He's a pragmatist with religious matters, but sees religion as superstitious and something that neither he or his closest associates had any use for.

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