I would like to propose a hypothetical situation and get your thoughts on it.
Let's suppose that a creator god really does exist and that he really did send down rules for humans to abide by, eg be nice, don't kill, love one another etc. But this god has no intention of providing an afterlife, no reward and no punishment. His rules are designed simply to make the lives of his creation better, while they have the life he created for them.
Would you still worship this god?
Would you still obey this god?
Would you still love this god with all your heart?
Hypothetical exercise.
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Hypothetical exercise.
Post #1I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
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Post #2[Replying to post 1 by 10CC]
If we are talking about a generic god, meaning none of the currently proposed ones, then I think I probably would, honestly. I am assuming that such things wouldn't be required, but even then I would be grateful for what I had and further there would be that feeling of security.
Although, the more I think about it the more torn I become. If it's this world and we know there is a god and he just created us to watch us die, I'm starting to dislike him already. Then there is all the suffering, we know he is there, yet he does nothing... I'm into not liking him now.
I obviously couldn't be an atheist at that point, but I would think any being that could watch what's happening here and do nothing is pretty evil or, at the very least, extremely indifferent and therefor not worthy of praise or worship. I would still try to be moral, however, since that seems to bring me the most happiness in life.
If we are talking about a generic god, meaning none of the currently proposed ones, then I think I probably would, honestly. I am assuming that such things wouldn't be required, but even then I would be grateful for what I had and further there would be that feeling of security.
Although, the more I think about it the more torn I become. If it's this world and we know there is a god and he just created us to watch us die, I'm starting to dislike him already. Then there is all the suffering, we know he is there, yet he does nothing... I'm into not liking him now.
I obviously couldn't be an atheist at that point, but I would think any being that could watch what's happening here and do nothing is pretty evil or, at the very least, extremely indifferent and therefor not worthy of praise or worship. I would still try to be moral, however, since that seems to bring me the most happiness in life.
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Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #3[Replying to post 1 by 10CC]
Two corrections, God never said to 'be nice.' That is a rule here, not there.
Second, the Great Command in Mk 12 was first to know God is One and second to love this God with all of your heart soul and might.
Now you asked if you would naturally love this God. No, the love of God is NOT natural at all, neither does it make much sense to a normal man.
But it was the Great Command so you need to include this one in your examples.
Two corrections, God never said to 'be nice.' That is a rule here, not there.
Second, the Great Command in Mk 12 was first to know God is One and second to love this God with all of your heart soul and might.
Now you asked if you would naturally love this God. No, the love of God is NOT natural at all, neither does it make much sense to a normal man.
But it was the Great Command so you need to include this one in your examples.
Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #4Look up the word hypothetical and I never used the word natural and it's my scenario I get to include and exclude what I want. If you don't know how to play then stay away.pokeegeorge wrote: [Replying to post 1 by 10CC]
Two corrections, God never said to 'be nice.' That is a rule here, not there.
Second, the Great Command in Mk 12 was first to know God is One and second to love this God with all of your heart soul and might.
Now you asked if you would naturally love this God. No, the love of God is NOT natural at all, neither does it make much sense to a normal man.
But it was the Great Command so you need to include this one in your examples.
I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
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Post #5[Replying to 10CC]
I am sorry I misinterpreted. You.
Yeah no I exit. Your hypothetical God is weird. Hard to love, eh?
So you going to say we only love a God who gives forever? Isn't that what an elohim is? Immortal, as God is?
I am HAPPY to love a God who offers immortality. Why would He make it HARDER to love Him?
I am sorry I misinterpreted. You.
Yeah no I exit. Your hypothetical God is weird. Hard to love, eh?
So you going to say we only love a God who gives forever? Isn't that what an elohim is? Immortal, as God is?
I am HAPPY to love a God who offers immortality. Why would He make it HARDER to love Him?
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Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #6Can you show where this God actually said anything, rather than have some man claims God said something? Let's see how you know that.pokeegeorge wrote: [Replying to post 1 by 10CC]
Two corrections, God never said to 'be nice.' That is a rule here, not there.
Second, the Great Command in Mk 12 was first to know God is One and second to love this God with all of your heart soul and might.
Now you asked if you would naturally love this God. No, the love of God is NOT natural at all, neither does it make much sense to a normal man.
But it was the Great Command so you need to include this one in your examples.
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Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #7Ahh so your love is exactly the same as your god's love, totally conditional, and therefore vastly inferior to mine.pokeegeorge wrote: [Replying to 10CC]
I am sorry I misinterpreted. You.
Yeah no I exit. Your hypothetical God is weird. Hard to love, eh?
So you going to say we only love a God who gives forever? Isn't that what an elohim is? Immortal, as God is?
I am HAPPY to love a God who offers immortality. Why would He make it HARDER to love Him?
I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
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Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #8[Replying to post 7 by 10CC]
God's love is conditional. Who told you that it wasn't?
My love is conditional too. Hard for man to love that which did not love him first.
Just like my infant, if I had one. This babe without love is gonna find it hard to love.
Especially if I drop it on his head once or twice.
God's love is conditional. Who told you that it wasn't?
My love is conditional too. Hard for man to love that which did not love him first.
Just like my infant, if I had one. This babe without love is gonna find it hard to love.
Especially if I drop it on his head once or twice.
Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #9Yes unfortunately your bible teaches that love must come with conditions and the biblicals not only believe it but practice it. It's very sad and a cause for much of the worlds problems.pokeegeorge wrote: [Replying to post 7 by 10CC]
God's love is conditional. Who told you that it wasn't?
My love is conditional too. Hard for man to love that which did not love him first.
Just like my infant, if I had one. This babe without love is gonna find it hard to love.
Especially if I drop it on his head once or twice.
I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
Re: Hypothetical exercise.
Post #10Why is it hard to love? Because you don't a big lollipop when you do love it? So you only love your god because you expect immortality from it in return. Isn't that just selfserving? Isn't there something in your book about god knowing what's in your heart? Would your reason for loving it be acceptable to it according to the book?pokeegeorge wrote: [Replying to 10CC]
Yeah no I exit. Your hypothetical God is weird. Hard to love, eh?
I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
