LGBT activism in The Church. Why not just be wronged by it?

[99percentatheism]

As the Gay Agenda, of legislating the acceptability of homosexuality and indeed "normalizing homosexual behavior" in the secular world, is finding its way into places called Christian Churches (several "Progressive and Liberal" denominations, and some being well established), should Christians that reject homosexuality, LGBT culture, and activism, and see the promoting of homosexuality as antithetical to the written record of the New Testament and orthodoxy, fight against this activist agenda or just "be wronged" by it? Should pro-orthodox Christians take a stand against Gay Activism IN the Church in a way described by Jude, Paul and Peter?

Should Christians that try earnestly to follow the teachings of the New Testament and reject same gender sexual behavior on scriptural and historical grounds, continue a secular political fight against the Gay Lobby or just stop using secular means and live similar lives in ways like the First Century Church did under similar circumstances? That being, immorality, vice and sexual depravity were secular-cultural norms and were engaged in by some people in The Church and yet were allowed to stay in congregations under certain circumstances?

Here is a few teachings from the New Testament record:

1 Corinthians 6:

Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that?

Why not let yourselves be cheated?

Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.

Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Avoiding Sexual Sin

You say, “I am allowed to do anything�—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,� I must not become a slave to anything. You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.� (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.� But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

The Apostle Peter makes a similar apologia.

1 Peter 4:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And Jude points out that there will be all manner of miscreants IN The Church. He points out who and what they are but he never says to eject them from a congregation. Just to recognize what they are:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

A Call to Persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.� These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy,

mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

[99percentatheism]

@10CC

[Replying to post 14 by 99percentatheism]

Do you take your over/under to church on sundays to kill all them queens what invade gods place? Why doesn't god use them almost all powerful angels to smite them with their fluffy swords, or was that fiery? Now EXACTLY how many of these dangerous homosexuals terrorists actually attack churches every sunday?

Don't forget to say grace.

How are you justified in placing violence in my positions and directed at me personally?

You should do your side a favor and apologize to me.

Well with comprehension skills like this it's no wonder you preach what you preach.

More vitriol. How unsurprising.

Otherwise here's how Jesus taught us to deal with unsavory issues in the Church:

Jesus told them another parable:

“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

“‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’�

- Matthew 13

We are to notice and point out the weeds (read Jude). But it God's harvesters that will pull them up and discard them where they belong.

I just strive to stay in good soil. And theologically, like a good neighbor, point out where it is.

What no insult 10CC?

I would prefer you to just answer the OP theologically and show us your academic side.

Well with comprehension skills like this it's no wonder you preach what you preach.

[/quote]

10CC

The OP is well defined. What not try to respond to it?

It would make the time we spend here so much more fulfilling.

[10CC]

As the Gay Agenda, of legislating the acceptability of homosexuality and indeed "normalizing homosexual behavior" in the secular world, is finding its way into places called Christian Churches (several "Progressive and Liberal" denominations, and some being well established), should Christians that reject homosexuality, LGBT culture, and activism, and see the promoting of homosexuality as antithetical to the written record of the New Testament and orthodoxy, fight against this activist agenda or just "be wronged" by it? Should pro-orthodox Christians take a stand against Gay Activism IN the Church in a way described by Jude, Paul and Peter?

Should Christians that try earnestly to follow the teachings of the New Testament and reject same gender sexual behavior on scriptural and historical grounds, continue a secular political fight against the Gay Lobby or just stop using secular means and live similar lives in ways like the First Century Church did under similar circumstances? That being, immorality, vice and sexual depravity were secular-cultural norms and were engaged in by some people in The Church and yet were allowed to stay in congregations under certain circumstances?

Here is a few teachings from the New Testament record:

1 Corinthians 6:

Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that?

Why not let yourselves be cheated?

Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.

Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Avoiding Sexual Sin

You say, “I am allowed to do anything�—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,� I must not become a slave to anything. You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.� (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.� But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

The Apostle Peter makes a similar apologia.

1 Peter 4:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And Jude points out that there will be all manner of miscreants IN The Church. He points out who and what they are but he never says to eject them from a congregation. Just to recognize what they are:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

A Call to Persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.� These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy,

mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Firstly prove that there is such an entity as a pro-orthodox christian and the define that orthodoxy and the supporting evidence for such a definition.
Hows that 99

[99percentatheism]

As the Gay Agenda, of legislating the acceptability of homosexuality and indeed "normalizing homosexual behavior" in the secular world, is finding its way into places called Christian Churches (several "Progressive and Liberal" denominations, and some being well established), should Christians that reject homosexuality, LGBT culture, and activism, and see the promoting of homosexuality as antithetical to the written record of the New Testament and orthodoxy, fight against this activist agenda or just "be wronged" by it? Should pro-orthodox Christians take a stand against Gay Activism IN the Church in a way described by Jude, Paul and Peter?

Should Christians that try earnestly to follow the teachings of the New Testament and reject same gender sexual behavior on scriptural and historical grounds, continue a secular political fight against the Gay Lobby or just stop using secular means and live similar lives in ways like the First Century Church did under similar circumstances? That being, immorality, vice and sexual depravity were secular-cultural norms and were engaged in by some people in The Church and yet were allowed to stay in congregations under certain circumstances?

Here is a few teachings from the New Testament record:

1 Corinthians 6:

Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that?

Why not let yourselves be cheated?

Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.

Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Avoiding Sexual Sin

You say, “I am allowed to do anything�—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,� I must not become a slave to anything. You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.� (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.� But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

The Apostle Peter makes a similar apologia.

1 Peter 4:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And Jude points out that there will be all manner of miscreants IN The Church. He points out who and what they are but he never says to eject them from a congregation. Just to recognize what they are:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

A Call to Persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.� These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy,

mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Firstly prove that there is such an entity as a pro-orthodox christian and the define that orthodoxy and the supporting evidence for such a definition.
Hows that 99

Sniff? Sniff? What's that I smell? A Red Herring?

If you want to start a new thread by all means do it. But don't violate the rules here OK?

Answer the OP or don't. But you should be ethical and stay out of a thread and its OP you have no desire to address.

[10CC]

As the Gay Agenda, of legislating the acceptability of homosexuality and indeed "normalizing homosexual behavior" in the secular world, is finding its way into places called Christian Churches (several "Progressive and Liberal" denominations, and some being well established), should Christians that reject homosexuality, LGBT culture, and activism, and see the promoting of homosexuality as antithetical to the written record of the New Testament and orthodoxy, fight against this activist agenda or just "be wronged" by it? Should pro-orthodox Christians take a stand against Gay Activism IN the Church in a way described by Jude, Paul and Peter?

Should Christians that try earnestly to follow the teachings of the New Testament and reject same gender sexual behavior on scriptural and historical grounds, continue a secular political fight against the Gay Lobby or just stop using secular means and live similar lives in ways like the First Century Church did under similar circumstances? That being, immorality, vice and sexual depravity were secular-cultural norms and were engaged in by some people in The Church and yet were allowed to stay in congregations under certain circumstances?

Here is a few teachings from the New Testament record:

1 Corinthians 6:

Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that?

Why not let yourselves be cheated?

Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.

Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Avoiding Sexual Sin

You say, “I am allowed to do anything�—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,� I must not become a slave to anything. You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.� (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.� But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

The Apostle Peter makes a similar apologia.

1 Peter 4:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And Jude points out that there will be all manner of miscreants IN The Church. He points out who and what they are but he never says to eject them from a congregation. Just to recognize what they are:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

A Call to Persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.� These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy,

mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Firstly prove that there is such an entity as a pro-orthodox christian and the define that orthodoxy and the supporting evidence for such a definition.
Hows that 99

Sniff? Sniff? What's that I smell? A Red Herring?

If you want to start a new thread by all means do it. But don't violate the rules here OK?

Answer the OP or don't. But you should be ethical and stay out of a thread and its OP you have no desire to address.

I request you clarify a salient point of your OP and you make a personal attack on me, oh well done you. Is that pro-orthodox christianity?

[99percentatheism]

As the Gay Agenda, of legislating the acceptability of homosexuality and indeed "normalizing homosexual behavior" in the secular world, is finding its way into places called Christian Churches (several "Progressive and Liberal" denominations, and some being well established), should Christians that reject homosexuality, LGBT culture, and activism, and see the promoting of homosexuality as antithetical to the written record of the New Testament and orthodoxy, fight against this activist agenda or just "be wronged" by it? Should pro-orthodox Christians take a stand against Gay Activism IN the Church in a way described by Jude, Paul and Peter?

Should Christians that try earnestly to follow the teachings of the New Testament and reject same gender sexual behavior on scriptural and historical grounds, continue a secular political fight against the Gay Lobby or just stop using secular means and live similar lives in ways like the First Century Church did under similar circumstances? That being, immorality, vice and sexual depravity were secular-cultural norms and were engaged in by some people in The Church and yet were allowed to stay in congregations under certain circumstances?

Here is a few teachings from the New Testament record:

1 Corinthians 6:

Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that?

Why not let yourselves be cheated?

Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.

Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Avoiding Sexual Sin

You say, “I am allowed to do anything�—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,� I must not become a slave to anything. You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.� (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.� But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

The Apostle Peter makes a similar apologia.

1 Peter 4:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And Jude points out that there will be all manner of miscreants IN The Church. He points out who and what they are but he never says to eject them from a congregation. Just to recognize what they are:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

A Call to Persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.� These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy,

mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Firstly prove that there is such an entity as a pro-orthodox christian and the define that orthodoxy and the supporting evidence for such a definition.
Hows that 99

Sniff? Sniff? What's that I smell? A Red Herring?

If you want to start a new thread by all means do it. But don't violate the rules here OK?

Answer the OP or don't. But you should be ethical and stay out of a thread and its OP you have no desire to address.

I request you clarify a salient point of your OP and you make a personal attack on me, oh well done you. Is that pro-orthodox christianity?

Personal attack?

My characterization is simply accurate. I posted enough scripture to show the orthodox position. I am not going to waste time on typical derail tactics.

One thing I don't understand though, I am showing quite the civil behavior towards homosexuals, homosexuality and their/its legions of supporters, in both this thread and my Gay Denomination thread. Why can't you just agree to the sound theology and be done?

Although I utterly enjoy the argument between fanatical anti and non Christians, and, as you can see, I have problem with dishing out what people like you give out, but in this thread, there is so much scripture given, it should be easier to stay on the apologetic track here.

[10CC]

As the Gay Agenda, of legislating the acceptability of homosexuality and indeed "normalizing homosexual behavior" in the secular world, is finding its way into places called Christian Churches (several "Progressive and Liberal" denominations, and some being well established), should Christians that reject homosexuality, LGBT culture, and activism, and see the promoting of homosexuality as antithetical to the written record of the New Testament and orthodoxy, fight against this activist agenda or just "be wronged" by it? Should pro-orthodox Christians take a stand against Gay Activism IN the Church in a way described by Jude, Paul and Peter?

Should Christians that try earnestly to follow the teachings of the New Testament and reject same gender sexual behavior on scriptural and historical grounds, continue a secular political fight against the Gay Lobby or just stop using secular means and live similar lives in ways like the First Century Church did under similar circumstances? That being, immorality, vice and sexual depravity were secular-cultural norms and were engaged in by some people in The Church and yet were allowed to stay in congregations under certain circumstances?

Here is a few teachings from the New Testament record:

1 Corinthians 6:

Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that?

Why not let yourselves be cheated?

Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.

Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Avoiding Sexual Sin

You say, “I am allowed to do anything�—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,� I must not become a slave to anything. You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.� (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.

Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.� But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

The Apostle Peter makes a similar apologia.

1 Peter 4:

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

And Jude points out that there will be all manner of miscreants IN The Church. He points out who and what they are but he never says to eject them from a congregation. Just to recognize what they are:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

A Call to Persevere

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.� These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy,

mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

Firstly prove that there is such an entity as a pro-orthodox christian and the define that orthodoxy and the supporting evidence for such a definition.
Hows that 99

Sniff? Sniff? What's that I smell? A Red Herring?

If you want to start a new thread by all means do it. But don't violate the rules here OK?

Answer the OP or don't. But you should be ethical and stay out of a thread and its OP you have no desire to address.

I request you clarify a salient point of your OP and you make a personal attack on me, oh well done you. Is that pro-orthodox christianity?

Personal attack?

My characterization is simply accurate. I posted enough scripture to show the orthodox position. I am not going to waste time on typical derail tactics.

One thing I don't understand though, I am showing quite the civil behavior towards homosexuals, homosexuality and their/its legions of supporters, in both this thread and my Gay Denomination thread. Why can't you just agree to the sound theology and be done?

Although I utterly enjoy the argument between fanatical anti and non Christians, and, as you can see, I have problem with dishing out what people like you give out, but in this thread, there is so much scripture given, it should be easier to stay on the apologetic track here.

Where is the passage in the bible that defines a true christian as a fundamentalist christian?

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Where is the passage in the bible that defines a true christian as a fundamentalist christian?

Spell "Christian" with a capital C and I'll do what I can to answer your question.

But, you don't think I'm a fundamentalist Christian do you?

If I were, wouldn't I be loving you instead of interacting with you the way I do? I mean you seem like my enemy right?

But then again, maybe I am. Tough love. Isn't that how it goes?

Why would a Christian allow a bully to bully? That's not very loving is it?

But anyway, be respectful to the word Christian and I'll "search the scriptures" for your request. But I may find that "fundamentalist Christian" is a redundant title.

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Where is the passage in the bible that defines a true christian as a fundamentalist christian?

Spell "Christian" with a capital C and I'll do what I can to answer your question.

But, you don't think I'm a fundamentalist Christian do you?

If I were, wouldn't I be loving you instead of interacting with you the way I do? I mean you seem like my enemy right?

But then again, maybe I am. Tough love. Isn't that how it goes?

Why would a Christian allow a bully to bully? That's not very loving is it?

But anyway, be respectful to the word Christian and I'll "search the scriptures" for your request. But I may find that "fundamentalist Christian" is a redundant title.

What you will find is no passage to support your fundamentalism.

[99percentatheism]

Where is the passage in the bible that defines a true christian as a fundamentalist christian?

Spell "Christian" with a capital C and I'll do what I can to answer your question.

But, you don't think I'm a fundamentalist Christian do you?

If I were, wouldn't I be loving you instead of interacting with you the way I do? I mean you seem like my enemy right?

But then again, maybe I am. Tough love. Isn't that how it goes?

Why would a Christian allow a bully to bully? That's not very loving is it?

But anyway, be respectful to the word Christian and I'll "search the scriptures" for your request. But I may find that "fundamentalist Christian" is a redundant title.

What you will find is no passage to support your fundamentalism.

You'll need a lot more impressive one-liner comebacks to impress the galley.

I have never once suggested nor hinted, nor have I ever asserted that I am "good Christian." I am just a Christian because reality is important to me now. My fundamentalism is based on the Gospels and the writings of the New Testament.

Where it is said of bad people attacking Christians in the Church: "Why not rather be wronged."

If you read what this new Pope is saying, he seems to be on that page too.

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Well with comprehension skills like this it's no wonder you preach what you preach.

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