I feel like we've been beating around the bush for... 6000 years!
Can you please either provide some evidence for your supernatural beliefs, or admit that you have no evidence?
If you believe there once was a talking donkey (Numbers 22) could you please provide evidence?
If you believe there once was a zombie invasion in Jerusalem (Mat 27) could you please provide evidence?
If you believe in the flying horse (Islam) could you please provide evidence?
Walking on water, virgin births, radioactive spiders who give you superpowers, turning water into wine, turning iron into gold, demons, goblins, ghosts, hobbits, elves, angels, unicorns and Santa.
Can you PLEASE provide evidence?
Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
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scourge99 wrote: No, you haven't. Danmark has questioned your consistency on this matter and you've shown that you are a hypocrite. Danmark asked whether you would trust the testimony of other holy books, belief systems, or religions and you refused to answer directly. Its clear to me and everyone else reading your responses that you are irrationally biased towards Christian testimony of supernatural claims and not any other. Yet you claim that testimony is strong evidence regardless of the religion or holy book. That inconsistency makes you a hypocrite, or perhaps worse, a liar.
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But unlike you, i am not a hypocrite who selectively accepts testimony from their preferred religion but rejects testimony from other sources.
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I've explained exactly why you are a hypocrite or are inconsistent.
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Re: Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
Post #1412[Replying to post 1386 by Goose]
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This whole debate is pointless.
Unless someone can produce an empirical method of distinguishing between supernatural causes and unknown natural causes, no amount of talking donkeys or zombie revivals can ever serve as empirical evidence for the existence of the supernatural.
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This whole debate is pointless.
Unless someone can produce an empirical method of distinguishing between supernatural causes and unknown natural causes, no amount of talking donkeys or zombie revivals can ever serve as empirical evidence for the existence of the supernatural.
Re: Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
Post #1413Especially if the central tenant of their dogma is faith (a belief grounded in admitting there is no evidence for its supernatural claims).FarWanderer wrote: [Replying to post 1386 by Goose]
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This whole debate is pointless.
Unless someone can produce an empirical method of distinguishing between supernatural causes and unknown natural causes, no amount of talking donkeys or zombie revivals can ever serve as empirical evidence for the existence of the supernatural.
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Re: Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
Post #1415[Replying to FarWanderer]
32,218 views and counting. This debate is hardly pointless.Farwanderer wrote: This whole debate is pointless.
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Just goes to show how much people like to rubber neck train wrecks.32,218 views and counting.
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And ignore the meaning (definition) of faith.keithprosser3 wrote:Just goes to show how much people like to rubber neck train wrecks.32,218 views and counting.
How bizarre.
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Re: Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
Post #1418[Replying to post 1 by no evidence no belief]
These are two of over 390 unique incidents and events referenced in Supernatural events which proves God’s power over created matter.
Some examples:
Snake Talks -- Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Donkey Talks - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Global Flood Kills All But Eight People – - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Total Darkness for Three Days - - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Devastating Plagues Strike Egypt – Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Mass Migration and the Red Sea Suddenly Parts for Crossing - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Strange Food (Manna) Provides Daily Bread - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Commandments Etched on Stone Tablets - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Moses Talks With God on Mount Sinai - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Jericho City Walls Collapse at Loud Sound - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Joseph Interprets Dreams of Prisoners - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Man Vanishes and Reappears 12 Miles Away - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
The Face of Moses Shined - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Jesus Ascends Into Heaven - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Enoch Never Dies - - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Tabitha, Get Up! - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Dead Man Brought Back to Life - - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Virgin birth - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Resurrection - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Need I say more??
NOW, can you give natural explanations for these events?
With pleasure.Can you please either provide some evidence for your supernatural beliefs, or admit that you have no evidence?
These are two of over 390 unique incidents and events referenced in Supernatural events which proves God’s power over created matter.
Some examples:
Snake Talks -- Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Donkey Talks - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Global Flood Kills All But Eight People – - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Total Darkness for Three Days - - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Devastating Plagues Strike Egypt – Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Mass Migration and the Red Sea Suddenly Parts for Crossing - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Strange Food (Manna) Provides Daily Bread - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Commandments Etched on Stone Tablets - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Moses Talks With God on Mount Sinai - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Jericho City Walls Collapse at Loud Sound - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Joseph Interprets Dreams of Prisoners - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Man Vanishes and Reappears 12 Miles Away - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
The Face of Moses Shined - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Jesus Ascends Into Heaven - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Enoch Never Dies - - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Tabitha, Get Up! - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Dead Man Brought Back to Life - - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Virgin birth - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Resurrection - Is there a natural explanation? No. Then is can only be a supernatural act by God.
Need I say more??
NOW, can you give natural explanations for these events?
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Re: Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
Post #1419[Replying to post 1411 by JohnA]
It is common knowledge that one's evidence almost exclusively consists of the totality of propositions that one knows and the evidence we would accept are that 'evidence' that justifies our belief. In other words ‘reason to believe’ and ‘evidence’ are more or less the same thing i.e. evidence justifies belief.
This would mean that atheists, for example, will only accept the evidence that justifies their belief. The further consequence is that they will simply not accept any evidence of supernatural acts as described in Scripture because it does not 'feed' their existing beliefs.
Are you claiming to believe nothing?? I would suggest that you think about your own beliefs.Especially if the central tenant of their dogma is faith (a belief grounded in admitting there is no evidence for its supernatural claims).
It is common knowledge that one's evidence almost exclusively consists of the totality of propositions that one knows and the evidence we would accept are that 'evidence' that justifies our belief. In other words ‘reason to believe’ and ‘evidence’ are more or less the same thing i.e. evidence justifies belief.
This would mean that atheists, for example, will only accept the evidence that justifies their belief. The further consequence is that they will simply not accept any evidence of supernatural acts as described in Scripture because it does not 'feed' their existing beliefs.
Re: Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?
Post #1420[Replying to Doulos]
He asked for evidence.
What you are doing is: can you give a natural example of why Edward's skin started to sparkle in sunlight ? No ? then that's my evidence Twilight is real muwhahaha.
Please.
He asked for evidence.
What you are doing is: can you give a natural example of why Edward's skin started to sparkle in sunlight ? No ? then that's my evidence Twilight is real muwhahaha.
Please.
