Christian marriage is man and woman/husband and wife.

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Christian marriage is man and woman/husband and wife.

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There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

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Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.
“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
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10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.

“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
You should read on. I didn't answer the question here, but I did answer it elsewhere. I fully admit that I believe that adulterers do deserve to be stoned to death. I also admitted that I am not obliged to give to everyone that which they deserve. I am free to have mercy on whomever I choose to have mercy on.

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Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.

“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
You should read on. I didn't answer the question here, but I did answer it elsewhere. I fully admit that I believe that adulterers do deserve to be stoned to death. I also admitted that I am not obliged to give to everyone that which they deserve. I am free to have mercy on whomever I choose to have mercy on.
I hope that you will be stoning your children to death at the next sign they show of their humanity. That is after all what your god commands you to do.
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10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.

“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
You should read on. I didn't answer the question here, but I did answer it elsewhere. I fully admit that I believe that adulterers do deserve to be stoned to death. I also admitted that I am not obliged to give to everyone that which they deserve. I am free to have mercy on whomever I choose to have mercy on.
I hope that you will be stoning your children to death at the next sign they show of their humanity. That is after all what your god commands you to do.
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.

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Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.

“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
You should read on. I didn't answer the question here, but I did answer it elsewhere. I fully admit that I believe that adulterers do deserve to be stoned to death. I also admitted that I am not obliged to give to everyone that which they deserve. I am free to have mercy on whomever I choose to have mercy on.
I hope that you will be stoning your children to death at the next sign they show of their humanity. That is after all what your god commands you to do.
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.
Don't go blaming me for what your god commands you do.

You seem happy with all of his other commands.

Don't go shooting the messenger.

Take it up with your god.
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Sonofason wrote:
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.
You're way off here, in at least a couple of ways. First it is wrong to take an example used in an argument, and treat it as a literal threat. It's even worse to use that to justify making a direct threat to another, because you have chosen to be offended when no offense was intended.

The point that was made is simply that those who would be subjected to your extremist view of stoning adulterers to death may be our own children, since according to the Bible, 'All have sinned.' More importantly, at least from a Christian perspective, is that Jesus taught exactly the opposite of what you are preaching, and did so regarding this very law.

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Danmark wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.
You're way off here, in at least a couple of ways. First it is wrong to take an example used in an argument, and treat it as a literal threat. It's even worse to use that to justify making a direct threat to another, because you have chosen to be offended when no offense was intended.

The point that was made is simply that those who would be subjected to your extremist view of stoning adulterers to death may be our own children, since according to the Bible, 'All have sinned.' More importantly, at least from a Christian perspective, is that Jesus taught exactly the opposite of what you are preaching, and did so regarding this very law.
I don't care who you are, nor where you are, nor why you are. None of you have any business anywhere making any reference whatsoever to my children. I do not care if any threat is intended or not. If you want to draw such an analogy then use your own children. My children are not a topic for discussion. And you won't discuss them, and 10CC won't discuss them any further.

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Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.

“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
You should read on. I didn't answer the question here, but I did answer it elsewhere. I fully admit that I believe that adulterers do deserve to be stoned to death. I also admitted that I am not obliged to give to everyone that which they deserve. I am free to have mercy on whomever I choose to have mercy on.
I hope that you will be stoning your children to death at the next sign they show of their humanity. That is after all what your god commands you to do.
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.
Stoning disobedient children has nothing to do with 10CC OR Danmark. The below is what the biblical God commands:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21:- "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

Surely you must have known about that scripture without having had to take it out personally on 10CC and make threats . . .? Shouldn't your ire instead be aimed at the one you kowtow to? How come you're not mad at God? Obviously fear of God as you mentioned in a previous post. Incidentally, in what context would "kill your disobedient children with stones" ever be acceptable?

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KCKID wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
10CC wrote:
Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
Justify this obscenity.

“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.

Justify it.
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.
You know it should really give you pause for thought when in every thread you find yourself in a position of being unable to answer questions, of needing continually to change the subject, of having to evade and equivocate constantly.

Doesn't any of that tell you something is wrong on your side of the fence?
You should read on. I didn't answer the question here, but I did answer it elsewhere. I fully admit that I believe that adulterers do deserve to be stoned to death. I also admitted that I am not obliged to give to everyone that which they deserve. I am free to have mercy on whomever I choose to have mercy on.
I hope that you will be stoning your children to death at the next sign they show of their humanity. That is after all what your god commands you to do.
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.
Stoning disobedient children has nothing to do with 10CC OR Danmark. The below is what the biblical God commands:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21:- "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

Surely you must have known about that scripture without having had to take it out personally on 10CC and make threats . . .? Shouldn't your ire instead be aimed at the one you kowtow to? How come you're not mad at God? Obviously fear of God as you mentioned in a previous post. Incidentally, in what context would "kill your disobedient children with stones" ever be acceptable?
There are two that I can think of.
Jesus said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I am not without sin. I am not a judge, and I am not justified in stoning anyone to death.

Only up until the point when stoning someone to death is a breech of civil law.

By both standards, I cannot be justified in stoning anyone to death. By both standards killing anyone to death is not acceptable, unless perhaps your living in the middle east.

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Sonofason wrote:
Danmark wrote:
Sonofason wrote:
Murder is in fact a sign of humanity. Many human beings kill and murder other human beings. But I am quite surprised that you would bring up my children, and try to invoke me to stone them to death. Is that right?

I cannot keep saying it just because you don't hear what I've said. I'm not going to play this little childish game with you. You have now assaulted my family, and I am not going to tell you what sort of emotion that instills in me. But I can tell you this, I'd love to meet you one day. We could see how our opinions change about others when we meet them face to face. I could maybe get tossed of this site for this comment of mine, but I really don't care. It would not be my loss. It would be yours. Keep talking about my kids. I'll find you, and we can discuss face to face what people deserve.
You're way off here, in at least a couple of ways. First it is wrong to take an example used in an argument, and treat it as a literal threat. It's even worse to use that to justify making a direct threat to another, because you have chosen to be offended when no offense was intended.

The point that was made is simply that those who would be subjected to your extremist view of stoning adulterers to death may be our own children, since according to the Bible, 'All have sinned.' More importantly, at least from a Christian perspective, is that Jesus taught exactly the opposite of what you are preaching, and did so regarding this very law.
I don't care who you are, nor where you are, nor why you are. None of you have any business anywhere making any reference whatsoever to my children. I do not care if any threat is intended or not. If you want to draw such an analogy then use your own children. My children are not a topic for discussion. And you won't discuss them, and 10CC won't discuss them any further.
No one is discussing your children. We are discussing your belief, which you attribute to Christianity, that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for adultery, despite the fact Jesus said the opposite.

Do you consider the death penalty appropriate for the sin of wearing a wool/cotton blend? How about for liars? Should cowards be put to death? Magicians? Idol worshippers? How about simply not believing what you believe. Should 'unbelievers' be put to death?

How about those who issue orders without authority? :)

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