Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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Matt Stopera from BuzzFeed asked 22 self-identifying creationists at the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate to write a message/question/note to the other side. Heres what they wrote. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages ... lutio?bffb
If Evolution is a theory (like creationism or the Bible) why then is evolution taught as fact?
Because science by definition is a "theory" -- not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?
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Re: Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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McCulloch wrote: Matt Stopera from BuzzFeed asked 22 self-identifying creationists at the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate to write a message/question/note to the other side. Heres what they wrote. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages ... lutio?bffb
If Evolution is a theory (like creationism or the Bible) why then is evolution taught as fact?
Because science by definition is a "theory" -- not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?
Yes, evolution is invalid as a representation of nature because it has never been proven (as a whole), it has never faced peer review (as a whole), the full claims of the theory have never been observed and can't be, and those teaching the theory as fact bypass these necessities that other disciplines of science must face.

Evolution is not taught as fact, therefore, it's taught as doctrine.

Belief without question is appropriate for religion only, not science.

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Re: Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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McCulloch wrote: Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?
No, because the theory has been proven to be true via actual evidence.

This is like asking whether relativity is untrue because it is a theory. Well, it may be a theory, but the predictions that the theory make are indeed true. In other words, time really does dilate at high relative speeds and in gravitational fields. That's been measured and observed to be true.

So Relativity is more than just a theory, it's an observationally confirmed fact of life.

The same is true of Evolution. Originally it was just a theory, but the predictions of the theory have since been observationally proven to be true. So now it is no longer "Just a theory" but instead it's a proven fact of reality.

Those who claim that it isn't are just in denial of the overwhelming physical evidence that proves evolution has indeed occurred on planet earth.

In fact, the only people who argue with this are obviously religious zealots who prefer to think that a Santa Clause God created man from dust and a woman from the rib of a man. :roll:

And where is there EVIDENCE for that theory? :-k

They have absolutely no evidence for it at all. None whatsoever!

So they have nothing but empty religious fanaticism that they cannot back up with evidence.
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The Me's wrote: Belief without question is appropriate for religion only, not science.
Belief without question is not appropriate for anything.

It's only religious fanatics who's goal it is to proselytize or evangelize unsubstantiated superstitious religions who preach that belief without question is appropriate for anything. :roll:

In fact, they demand this because they know that if questions are asked it will only reveal the absurdity of the superstition.
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Re: Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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[Replying to post 1 by McCulloch]

I see a lot of misconception here about a theory. A theory is an explanation for something. This explanation is based on observable and demonstrable evidence. There are many theories for all sorts of things, but the ones that remain on top as the best explanation are those that can actually make predictions. Once you get to that point, you really have something solid.

Evolution means change over time and this is absolutely true and observable on a daily basis. Biological Evolution is also true and can be observed in bacteria, and viruses immediately. The fossil record shows us that biology has changed overtime. So evolution is true and that is scientifically confirmed. The theory of evolution is the explanation for how this happened. That is all that it is. Although it is backed by evidence and can make predictions. So if the TOE did not have evidence that explained the absolute, undeniable, biological change over time, then we could say it is just a theory, and one that failed. Theories are not iron clad, the TOE has all the evidence to make predictions.

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  • In biology, cell theory is a scientific theory that describes the properties of cells, which are the basic unit of structure in all organisms and also the basic unit of reproduction.
  • The germ theory of disease states that some diseases are caused by microorganisms. These small organisms, too small to see without magnification, invade humans, animals, and other living hosts. Their growth and reproduction within their hosts can cause a disease. "Germ" may refer to a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, or prion.
  • In chemistry, we have molecular theory.
  • In chemistry and physics, atomic theory is a scientific theory of the nature of matter, which states that matter is composed of discrete units called atoms, as opposed to the earlier concept which held that matter could be divided into any arbitrarily small quantity.
  • In physics, the special theory of relativity is the accepted physical theory regarding the relationship between space and time.
  • the general theory of relativity, is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1916 and the current description of gravitation in modern physics. General relativity generalizes special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime.
  • In theoretical physics, quantum field theory is a theoretical framework for constructing quantum mechanical models of subatomic particles in particle physics and quasiparticles in condensed matter physics.
  • Newton's theory of gravity.
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Im not going to address what consitutes a theory but rather the OP.
If Evolution is a theory (like creationism or the Bible) why then is evolution taught as fact?
Anything in this world is only as valid as the evidence that backs it. That's why evolution is being taught in school and creationism is not. Its as simple as that.

I always have wondered, assuming that the genesis account had never been, would we have creationism as it is today? No. We would have never even thought of it because the evidence would not lead us towards it.

The fact is, creationism is an attempt to justify an old myth.
Because science by definition is a "theory" -- not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
If we don't teach evolution because it is a theory why would we teach creationism or ID which are only myths and folklore? Why dont we teach greek mythology as fact in our schools? Or the Norse gods? Same reasons we dont teach creationism and ID.
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Re: Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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McCulloch wrote: Matt Stopera from BuzzFeed asked 22 self-identifying creationists at the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate to write a message/question/note to the other side. Heres what they wrote. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages ... lutio?bffb
If Evolution is a theory (like creationism or the Bible) why then is evolution taught as fact?
Because science by definition is a "theory" -- not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?
Yes, evolution is invalid as a representation of nature because it has never been proven (as a whole), it has never faced peer review (as a whole), the full claims of the theory have never been observed and can't be, and those teaching the theory as fact bypass these necessities that other disciplines of science must face.

Evolution is not taught as fact, therefore, it's taught as doctrine.

Belief without question is appropriate for religion only, not science.
What has been proven, in your mind?

And, please prove that evolution hasn't been proved.
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McCulloch wrote: Matt Stopera from BuzzFeed asked 22 self-identifying creationists at the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate to write a message/question/note to the other side. Heres what they wrote. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages ... lutio?bffb
If Evolution is a theory (like creationism or the Bible) why then is evolution taught as fact?
Because science by definition is a "theory" -- not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?
Like how gravity is invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?
Or... "no".
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Re: Is evolution invalid or untrue because it is a Theory?

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[Replying to post 9 by Clownboat]

Gravity is not a theory. It's a law of nature, entirely predictable (and measurable).

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