Many Christians consider homosexual practices to be immoral. The forum has multiple threads which include arguments as to whether or not homosexuality should be considered immoral, and even whether this position is supported Biblically.
In this thread, we will take it is a given that homosexuality is immoral.
Under this assumption, what should the response of Christians be to the existence of homosexuality? How should we interact with or treat persons who are homosexuals?
In terms of political society, what sort of laws should Christians support with respect to homosexuality? If there is to be unequal treatment of homosexuals under the law, what is the Biblical basis for this?
Again, arguments concerning the morality of homosexuality are not relevant to the thread. What is relevant is discussion of the possible Christian responses to homosexuality, and what valid rationale there are for these responses.
The Christian Response to Homosexuality
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Re: How should we be treated?
Post #131he supports an eternal torture chamber not in scripture!tselem wrote:Wow. Are you related to Fred Phelps by chance?chachynga wrote:You should know the answer! God directs you to the proper and Christian method in dealing with them, execution.
We don't see eye to eye!
No, no relation.
Post #132
http://xsorbit30.com/users5/afterbite/index.php1John2_26 wrote:This "chachynga" poster is a gay rights activist. I'll bet ten dollars.
Any takers?
It/he/she is not a Fred Phelps shill, it/he/she is a Soulforce shill.
I went back and bolded my input. There is just too much of a rat to smell for this person to be real.
Chachynga
Real Deal
Bible in one hand and a gun in the other.
Post #133
Nice Find, there's more to seek out!sue wrote:You must be confused, chachynga lives in Texas.1John2_26 wrote:And a one more time!
This "chachynga" poster is a gay rights activist. I'll bet ten dollars.
Any takers?
It/he/she is not a Fred Phelps shill, it/he/she is a Soulforce shill.
There is just too much of a rat to smell for this person to be real.
You are not fooling anyone you Bostonian.
Or maybe you're afraid to address me directly.
I've PM'ed you, feel free to take this offline.
I was banned from that site. But that's the size of logo I'd like to have but it doesnt come out very well here as it's limited
Post #134
It is the one sin that is excused away by a so called birth condition. Maybe it will work for you and your "divorce orientation?"Under this assumption, what should the response of Christians be to the existence of homosexuality?
The same as to any other sin. Can't help but notice a disparity with some individuals who have chosen to fixate on that one sin over and above all others.
While politely asking them to change their behaviors, be quiet about it and don't demand it to be accepted and celebrated, or leave the Church.How should we interact with or treat persons who are homosexuals?
Well, with civility first and foremost.
As for policy, I leave that to the church. If it's the policy of a denomination to exclude homosexuals from their congregation, that's fine. If other denominations want to allow homosexual members but try to discourage homosexual activity, I don't have a problem with that.
I'm thinking God may have something to say to you "from" the "Word of God."
That would be in keeping with "the word of God." Unless of course you sue the Church and picket the APA to give your 'divorce orientation' a new lease on life."I found out not too long ago that every relationship I've had since my divorce is construed as "adultery" and if I went to church I'd expect to hear sermons against adultery.
Why?I draw the line at hate speech, to include demonizing homosexuals,
How about accurate history of same-gender sex? It is dreadful. Nero wasn't exactly a sweetheart. Nero slaughtered Christians and down the Roman leader line is Hadrian another man that had a male lover . . . this guy slaughtered had the Jews slaughtered and would have finished off the Jewish people up on Masada but, they decided to kill themselves before falling into the hands of Hadrian's soldiers.distributing revisionist history anti-gay propaganda,
We know all too much about Nero; but here's a clip on Hadrian:
Anyway, you get a glimpse of the picture.Hadrian was a humanist, deeply Hellenophile in all his tastes. While visiting Greece in 125 he attempted to create a kind of provincial parliament to bind all the semi-autonomous former city states across all Greece and parts of Asia Minor. This parliament, known as the Panhellenion didn't succeed however despite spirited efforts to instill cooperation among the Hellenes.
Hadrian was especially famous for his love affair with a young Greek, Antinous or antinos (greek: αντινοος, born circa 110 or 111 ad, died 130 ad, lover of the roman emperor...)
While touring Egypt Antinous mysteriously drowned in the Nile.
Stricken with grief, Hadrian founded the Egyptian city of Antinopolis. Hadrian drew the whole Empire into his mourning, making Antinous the last new god
For the rest of his life, Hadrian commissioned many hundreds (or thousands) of sculptures of Antinous in the manner of a Greek youth.
No Christian can harm anyone unless it is in self-defense. Jesus did at one point tell His disciples to arm themselves as they would be walking the bad parts of town at night.. . . or advocating harming or killing them.
Luke 22:
35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
"Nothing," they answered.
36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
38The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"That is enough," he replied.
Also calling them disparaging names, like "fag".
Homophobe is a new and insulting invective and epithet. It is used to silence any disapproval or dissent of gay sex.
In terms of political society, what sort of laws should Christians support with respect to homosexuality?
Any that don't restrict their freedom. Their personal safety shouldn't be violated or threatened, and they should be allowed to be employed, housed, and privately engage in homosexual activity between consenting adults.
A person is a person. Why does anyone need to be labeled by the sex they have?
While I am in favor of gay marriage or civil unions, I don't have a problem with Christians who vote against it.
Well the Gospel can rest for a moment from being labeled hate speech and homophobic. But, I notice, it is just for awhile. The Gay Agenda of spreading homosexuality is closing its noose around the necks of Christian Churches that dare disapprove of "it."
Church 'could be forced to bless gay weddings'
By Jonathan Petre
(Filed: 10/06/2006)
New Government proposals on equality could require clergy to bless homosexual "weddings" or face prosecution, the Church of England said yesterday.
It said the proposed regulations could undermine official teaching and require Christians to act against their religious convictions.
The Sexual Orientation (Provision of Goods and Services) Regulations will make discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation illegal in the same way as race or sex.
The Christian Response to Homosexuality better be very, very carefully worded.
Post #135
Yeah, but you do submit and understand the true authority it holds and so with God.sue wrote:I don't claim to be Christian.chachynga wrote:But the point is this: why do you sin with men by having sex and claim to be Christian? one of the reasons you cant support the Homosexuals being given just judgement is because of your sins...
Here you even admit:
I found out not too long ago that every relationship I've had since my divorce is construed as "adultery" and if I went to church I'd expect to hear sermons against adultery.
You Found Out
that EVERY relationship
since your divorce is
construed as adultery
you dont go to church because you dont want to hear ?
Your certainly a fornicator and love the flesh more than God.
That's certain, and you could have no valuable considered opinion to truth unless you admit God is right, and to do that you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed, and you dont want to be convicted of your won sins so you put your head in the sand.
Either God said the truth or it's a lie, so I take it you rely on fallen man to be the strength of your support in what is right and wrong.
Man can be moved and broken and destroyed and he dies, God does not die... he is giver of all life, he designed all things, he knows what is what.
Post #136
Hey "Christian" with a gun in your hand?
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Prove that from the New Testament?chachynga wrote:
. . . you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed,
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Post #137
Why just limited to the new, are you just a New Testament Christian?1John2_26 wrote:Hey "Christian" with a gun in your hand?
Prove that from the New Testament?chachynga wrote:
. . . you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed,
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Post #138
Like I thought, you're a gay rights fanatic posing (trolling) as to what you think of Christians.1John2_26 wrote:
Hey "Christian" with a gun in your hand?
Quote:
chachynga wrote:
. . . you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed,
Prove that from the New Testament?
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Why just limited to the new, are you just a New Testament Christian?
"Christians" aren't in the Old Testament superstar.
Answer my question "dude."
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sue
Post #139
Because I'm opposed to actions that usually lead to violence.1John2_26 wrote:Why?I draw the line at hate speech, to include demonizing homosexuals,
I'm not in favor of violent actions that homosexuals have conducted any more than I'm in favor of violent actions that straight rulers have conducted. Power corrupts. But posting histories of sadistic straight people would be irrelevant to the discussion, as are posting histories of sadistic homosexuals.How about accurate history of same-gender sex? It is dreadful. Nero wasn't exactly a sweetheart. *snip*distributing revisionist history anti-gay propaganda,
So if I'm hearing you correctly, the existence of soulforce is adequate reason to advocate harming gay people? I just want to make sure I'm not putting words into your mouth.No Christian can harm anyone unless it is in self-defense. Jesus did at one point tell His disciples to arm themselves as they would be walking the bad parts of town at night.. . . or advocating harming or killing them.
Feel free to repost anywhere that I've used the word "homophobe".Homophobe is a new and insulting invective and epithet. It is used to silence any disapproval or dissent of gay sex.Also calling them disparaging names, like "fag".
In terms of political society, what sort of laws should Christians support with respect to homosexuality?
Agreed, and they don't have to be labeled. I was answering the OP question.A person is a person. Why does anyone need to be labeled by the sex they have?Any that don't restrict their freedom. Their personal safety shouldn't be violated or threatened, and they should be allowed to be employed, housed, and privately engage in homosexual activity between consenting adults.
Again, feel free to repost anything I've written that characterize the bible as hate speech or homophobic.Well the Gospel can rest for a moment from being labeled hate speech and homophobic. But, I notice, it is just for awhile. The Gay Agenda of spreading homosexuality is closing its noose around the necks of Christian Churches that dare disapprove of "it."While I am in favor of gay marriage or civil unions, I don't have a problem with Christians who vote against it.
Post #140
False witnessing I see is your modus!1John2_26 wrote:Like I thought, you're a gay rights fanatic posing (trolling) as to what you think of Christians.1John2_26 wrote:
Hey "Christian" with a gun in your hand?
Quote:
chachynga wrote:
. . . you'd have to admit the Homosexuals are worthy of being executed,
Prove that from the New Testament?
It is found in the Bible. The thing in your other hand!!!!
Why just limited to the new, are you just a New Testament Christian?
"Christians" aren't in the Old Testament superstar.
Answer my question "dude."
Again, are you a Christian, and if so, are you a NT only Christian?
Wht reason could you have for not wanting to discuss the OT in relations to the said question.
You should know:
Hebrews
13 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
I Corinthians
6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So either get washed and put on the clothes and mind of Christ, or suffer the punishemnt!
I Timothy
1 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Mark
12 .... Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Jude
1 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
