ALL evidence to support the divinity of Jesus

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:47 pm

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In one of the threads someone complained that "The Atheists" refuse to consider evidence presented by religionists.

Here is an opportunity to bring forth all the evidence relating to a VERY important subject -- the divinity of Jesus. I promise to evaluate everything presented as fairly and objectively as possible -- and trust that others, believers and non-believers alike, will do the same.

Lay out the evidence and let's go over it point-by-point. Fair enough?

JoeyKnothead · Post by **JoeyKnothead** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:42 pm

Figured I'd give this'n a bump, just in case Satan was a-hidin' it from us.

Pazuzu bin Hanbi · Post by **Pazuzu bin Hanbi** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:00 pm

Canâ€™t wait for the floods of evidence to start pouring in!

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:35 pm

Should evidence that the man ever existed in the first place be a prerequisite?

Wolfbitn · Post by **Wolfbitn** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:47 pm

Zzyzx wrote: .
In one of the threads someone complained that "The Atheists" refuse to consider evidence presented by religionists.

Here is an opportunity to bring forth all the evidence relating to a VERY important subject -- the divinity of Jesus. I promise to evaluate everything presented as fairly and objectively as possible -- and trust that others, believers and non-believers alike, will do the same.

Lay out the evidence and let's go over it point-by-point. Fair enough?

If I thought you were serious and this was not just a "baiting" thread title, I would give you what you want.

Even f I were you most likely know nothing about ancient manuscripts from between 100-500 ad, nor would you know anything in depth regarding the Johnanine comma, or Origen's edits, nor would you know much about Cyprian except what you could wiki. And I seriously doubt you would accept historic evidence... so what's the point of you even asking?

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Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:00 pm

Wolfbitn wrote: If I thought you were serious and this was not just a "baiting" thread title,

Why would you accuse another forum member of creating a "baiting" thread?

This is a debate forum and the topic is quite legit.

Zzyzx clearly stated:

Zzyzx wrote: Lay out the evidence and let's go over it point-by-point. Fair enough?

Your claim:

Wolfbitn wrote: I would give you what you want.

Well, what are you waiting for?

Bring it on.

Danmark · Post by **Danmark** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:11 pm

Wolfbitn wrote: If I thought you were serious and this was not just a "baiting" thread title, I would give you what you want.

Even f I were you most likely know nothing about ancient manuscripts from between 100-500 ad, nor would you know anything in depth regarding the Johnanine comma, or Origen's edits, nor would you know much about Cyprian except what you could wiki. And I seriously doubt you would accept historic evidence... so what's the point of you even asking?

This is a personal attack rather than a responsive argument.

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Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:11 pm

Wolfbitn wrote: If I thought you were serious and this was not just a "baiting" thread title, I would give you what you want.

Asking about one of the most basic tenants of Christianity is "baiting?" You ARE kidding aren't you?

Excuses are accepted on the second Tuesday of each week. Until then they merely emphasize the lack of evidence.

One would think that Christians would be proud to display convincing evidence of the divinity of Jesus. After all, they seem convinced . . . so what convinced them?

Edited to add

Wolfbitn wrote:you most likely know nothing about ancient manuscripts from between 100-500 ad, nor would you know anything in depth regarding the Johnanine comma, or Origen's edits, nor would you know much about Cyprian except what you could wiki.

If I know so little and you know so much it should be easy to overwhelm me and readers with evidence of the divinity of Jesus. Have at it.

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:39 pm

On the issue of the supposed Divinity of Jesus, I think we are in complete agreement on this one. I don't think there IS any evidence for it outside of the New Testament, and even those verses which SEEM to indicate his Divinity are ambiguous at best or overwhelmed by verses which contradict later church teachings that he was Divine, verses such as 1 Timothy 2:5:

New International Version (NIV)

5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the MAN Christ Jesus,

(my emphasis added for the word "man".)

Even Paul here reasserts the Biblical teaching that God is One, and makes a distinction between God and Jesus.

Jashwell · Post by **Jashwell** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:58 pm

When you say the divinity of Jesus, you mean to say Jesus is godlike or related to god, correct? (This is the most common definition of divine)

So don't we first need a definition of God? (or what it means to be divine)
I myself don't accept the following as qualities that can only be godlike:

Walking on water
Turning water to wine
Magically cloning food
Magically healing the sick
Claiming to be godlike or related to god
Driving out demons

Even if we take all those for granted,
Jesus could've been a wizard.

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